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Is the rear stock notch back of the bolt's cutout for the safety to lock the bolt?
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Yes it is. Not sure why they styled it quite that way; almost looks as though the bolt can be rotated down into either slot (it can't).

Actually, the safety is another small wart on this rifle. It's two position, up for fire, down into that rear slot for safe with bolt locked. That in itself isn't an issue for me, but the safety is very stiff to engage, and impossible to disengage quietly. If this were a deer rifle, which I planned on carrying cocked/locked while still-hunting, it would be largely unusable; just too noisy to take off safe. Even sitting in a blind, I like to keep the gun loaded/cocked on safe, and a nearby deer would be on instant alert...or completely gone!...when that thing SNAPS!

For it's intended use on coyotes, it's a non-issue for me. I won't have a round chambered when walking from one stand or calling site to another, so the safety is unneeded. While calling or just waiting, the gun will be off safe anyway with a round chambered and held in hand, or perhaps propped on a bipod with the shooting hand in position on the grip. I can stay in that state of "high alert" for the short amount of time I'll be there; could never do it for hours on end while waiting for a deer.

Lol, I'm re-reading my comments on this gun throughout this thread, and I realize that a lot of folks will not like it for one or more very legitimate reasons: general sensitivity to consistent hold...pronounced two stage trigger...noisy safety. They aren't reasons that really impact my use much, but others may feel quite differently. :)

I'll carry this all winter as my primary coyote rifle, and see how I feel about it come spring. :)
 
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jjohnwm said:
Yes it is. Not sure why they styled it quite that way; almost looks as though the bolt can be rotated down into either slot (it can't).

Actually, the safety is another small wart on this rifle. It's two position, up for fire, down into that rear slot for safe with bolt locked. That in itself isn't an issue for me, but the safety is very stiff to engage, and impossible to disengage quietly. If this were a deer rifle, which I planned on carrying cocked/locked while still-hunting, it would be largely unusable; just too noisy to take off safe. Even sitting in a blind, I like to keep the gun loaded/cocked on safe, and a nearby deer would be on instant alert...or completely gone!...when that thing SNAPS!

For it's intended use on coyotes, it's a non-issue for me. I won't have a round chambered when walking from one stand or calling site to another, so the safety is unneeded. While calling or just waiting, the gun will be off safe anyway with a round chambered and held in hand, or perhaps propped on a bipod with the shooting hand in position on the grip. I can stay in that state of "high alert" for the short amount of time I'll be there; could never do it for hours on end while waiting for a deer.

Lol, I'm re-reading my comments on this gun throughout this thread, and I realize that a lot of folks will not like it for one or more very legitimate reasons: general sensitivity to consistent hold...pronounced two stage trigger...noisy safety. They aren't reasons that really impact my use much, but others may feel quite differently. :)

I'll carry this all winter as my primary coyote rifle, and see how I feel about it come spring. :)
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Should be easy enough to just unlock the bolt and then softly re-lock as a loud safety work around if needed for some situations.
Keep us posted, it's an interesting rifle, Cheers and Merry Christmas!
 
How is the barrel attached there? Is that a single piece barrell, or with a separate barrell nut on top? Is the barrel itself of some commonly available standard? It would be interesting to see this rifle with a shorter 300 blk barrell (maybe 12 inches long).
 
monahov said:
How is the barrel attached there? Is that a single piece barrell, or with a separate barrell nut on top? Is the barrel itself of some commonly available standard? It would be interesting to see this rifle with a shorter 300 blk barrell (maybe 12 inches long).
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Hard to tell for certain, but it looks like it is attached/headspaced with a Savage-style collar at the rear. I very much doubt that it is compatible with any other available barrels; it's so tiny it seems like a toy.

Not much info to be found on the web. The Voere site is a typical Euro-rifle-maker confusion of terminology. You try to research one of their funny novelty rifles, and must first pigeonhole it as either a Hunting, Sport, Tactical or Dynamic shooting device. Huh? I'm not a soldier or cop or professional hitman; every shot I've ever taken in my life has been, IMHO, "sport" shooting.

They seem to show the all-steel-barrel version as being a couple hundred Europesos more expensive than the carbon-fibre reinforced version, with all other specifications apparently identical. Again...huh? And if the barrel collar is removable by a typical owner, rather than requiring advanced gunsmithing, they don't seem to be taking advantage of this feature. No barrels offered, in either the original length/chambering or others. And this gun isn't new on the market, it's been out for at least a few years.

A shorter barrel might be cool; the current barrel is only about 21 inches but "feels" longer just because of how petite the rest of the gun is.

Almost forgot: a surprise bonus feature of this gun is...the OEM magazines. The 5-round polymer Voere mags are a flush-fit with the end of the magazine well, minimizing any awkwardness that some reviewers on which some reviewers have commented. But those terrific little mags work perfectly in several other AR-mag rifles I've tried them in, and are wonderful for hunting. They're not flush, but protrude only a small distance and don't get in the way of hand-around-receiver carry. They're cheap...Sporteque has them for 40 bucks...and I have ordered four more for general use in my various rifles.
 
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Quick update: I've taken advantage of our current cold snap to take the S16 out for coyotes several times recently, have gotten 5 dogs with it so far, and the experience is generating mixed feelings. Four of the dogs were within 100 yards...two would have been easy shotgun dogs...but the fifth, just yesterday morning, was at a lasered 296 yards and shooting that stupidly light little gun from a kinda silly ass-in-the-snow field position, with cold cold cold hands and fingers manipulating the rifle...really highlighted how tough a real ultralightweight can be to shoot.

The gun has an easily adjustable LOP; a simple discreet button in front of the butt-pad allows an adjustment range of 2 inches forward/backward. This should be a terrific feature, as I am always looking for easy ways to make my guns accessible for both my long-armed long-necked 6'2" frame and my granddaughter's considerably more petite build. Two inches of adjustment should have made this easy, but...the shortest LOP, pad fulled retracted, is 14.25 inches! Huh?!? I don't know who would ever want to stretch it out to its maximum of 16.25 inches. The fact that I want it for coyotes, typically shot in the dead of winter while wearing a lot clothing, adds injury to insult.

The stiff cocking action has eased up a bit and smoothed out considerably a couple hundred rounds in; not surprising but definitely an improvement. The two-stage trigger is an excellent feature for my usually-cold-bordering-on-numb hands in February, but the slightly heavier pull weight combines with the ultralight weight of the gun to make it a very demanding rifle to shoot well. You simply can't afford to be lazy or sloppy at all if you want decent results. It's a training rifle, even when you don't want it to be...not necessarily a bad thing, but a factor to consider.

I have a giant jar of old Speer 50-gr .223 bullets with a very minimal hollow point; got them at a gun show probably 20+ years ago, very cheap. I have never found a rifle that shot them very well...which is why I still have so many!...but the first load I tried in the S16 produced a half-inch group, and it's printed several more that were closer to 3/8 inch. Finally, I can use up those dang bullets...
 
Those speer loads sound pretty good!
The long length of pull parameters seem odd.... sounds like the rifle could use a trigger job.
 
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