10,500 Canadian Brownings headed to Ukraine

Do the Canadian P35s have the magazine disconnector? If yes, they better make that clear to the Ukrainian troops that they are issued to.

IIRC the magazine disconnector and the lack of understanding that a mislatched mag renders the pistol incapable of firing, resulted in the deaths of two soldiers in Northern Island during the troubles.
 
The way I heard it, most (if not all) of the pistols were discovered in a warehouse and are in unissued and therefore, unfired condition. Bear in mind that Inglis made around 152,000 pistols! Is it truly inconceivable that 11,000 were warehoused and forgotten? I'd love to see them on the collector market here though we know the Liberals would never allow that. Just like the 750 Lee Enfield .22 training rifles in the transit boxes that went under military guard to Stelco into the furnaces. As if a 4', 10 lb. single shot .22 rifle would ever be the criminal's firearm of choice.
the criminal comment
that's sure getting old
 
Do the Canadian P35s have the magazine disconnector? If yes, they better make that clear to the Ukrainian troops that they are issued to.

IIRC the magazine disconnector and the lack of understanding that a mislatched mag renders the pistol incapable of firing, resulted in the deaths of two soldiers in Northern Island during the troubles.
For kicks, you try to fire that chambered round off with your finger in the magwell.
The hipowers that I was able to play with were actually in good shape-back in '98. The sigs were coming online but not everywhere. Hopefully they are put to decent use by someone.
 
Those old Inglis/Browning 9mms you guys wouldn't want, 99% were shot out and junk.

I shot one in the mid 00's that had a 1940s manufacture date on it.
 
Those old Inglis/Browning 9mms you guys wouldn't want, 99% were shot out and junk.

I shot one in the mid 00's that had a 1940s manufacture date on it.
Lots of guys going to Afghanistan received brand new ones, the mags sucked but the guns were new in the box. Inglis stopped making them in the middle 1940's, but as noted, they made quite a few and many never went anywhere.
 
Those old Inglis/Browning 9mms you guys wouldn't want, 99% were shot out and junk.

I shot one in the mid 00's that had a 1940s manufacture date on it.
Mine isn't. It's a 1T serial number and just like johnl it shoots IVI ball very well.

I have never had an issue with any of the magazines I've had, other than one, which was aftermarket. As long as they weren't used for removing soda bottle/beer bottle caps or as screw drivers or whatever and only used for their intended purpose they work flawlessly.

I've seen others where there are issues but they could always be attributed to "user abuse"
 
Those old Inglis/Browning 9mms you guys wouldn't want, 99% were shot out and junk.

I shot one in the mid 00's that had a 1940s manufacture date on it.
They were all 1940s manufactured.

The ones I handled and shot were in decent shape (about a dozen at a few different units), no failures to feed or stoppages. It really depended on how used each particular one was.

It isn’t about the age of the pistol, the modern designs are basically all just variations on the hi-power, it’s about the condition. The Hi-Power also has the advantage of fitting quite well in the hand of most shooters, something these double stacked pistols generally don’t do.
 
They were all 1940s manufactured.

The ones I handled and shot were in decent shape (about a dozen at a few different units), no failures to feed or stoppages. It really depended on how used each particular one was.

It isn’t about the age of the pistol, the modern designs are basically all just variations on the hi-power, it’s about the condition. The Hi-Power also has the advantage of fitting quite well in the hand of most shooters, something these double stacked pistols generally don’t do.
A lot of shooters shoot with a "limp wrist" No dis intended.

I see this at the range quite often, especially with young, inexperienced shooters or older shooters, at the last stages of their shooting careers.

I agree, heavily worn P35s will malfunction. I saw a couple of hundred of them at the Chilliwack base, back in the 80s, when on a DCRA RCO course, which had been sent back to their armorers for evaluation and replacement. They were all ridden hard but well maintained, from what I could see.

I managed to see them because one of the course instructors saw my P35, which was close to immaculate condition, and asked if he could look at it. This wasn't at the range but in a classroom. He had gone with us to the range that morning and watched me shooting in a very "unspectacular" manner. P35s have horrid triggers, until they're "tuned"

We went to the armorer's shop and the REME asked me to leave it with him and come back in the morning to pick it up.

He did his magic, for which I bought him several rounds at the seargeant's bar, and that pistol became a dream to use, in comparison to its original condition.

He removed the little shiny pin on the trigger, stoned all of the contact surfaces and reduced the engagement surfaces between the sear and hammer. He didn't reduce the hammer spring tension, because I was shooting DCRA issue ball.

We talked a bit about "limp wrist" shooting and he stated it was a real problem they encountered a lot.

The p35 requires a "locked" wrist and a firm grip to cycle properly. If the shooter had a weak wrist or loose grip, the slide can't fully cycle, because the recoil causes the entire pistol to move rearward and upward while cycling, and the slide can't move back far enough to properly eject the spent case and pick up the next round out of the magazine.

He told me it didn't happen often but the odd individual would try to "fix" the issues by making "adjustments" to the mag lips, which mostly made it worse.
 
They best be keeping those considering they will have to return those P320 self discharging garbage they purchased.
My "very real concern" is with Liberals involved in the transfer, how many of those pistols will end up on the world "SURPLUS" military arm markets, or Black Markets.

This is the ideal situation for such shenanigans and the Ukraine conflict is already rife with this sort of issue.
 
My "very real concern" is with Liberals involved in the transfer, how many of those pistols will end up on the world "SURPLUS" military arm markets, or Black Markets.

This is the ideal situation for such shenanigans and the Ukraine conflict is already rife with this sort of issue.
The Ukrainian insiders will probably only steal around 15% of the pistols so say 1600 pistols go walkabout?

At $500 per pistol that's only $800,000.00.

Chump change.
 
My "very real concern" is with Liberals involved in the transfer, how many of those pistols will end up on the world "SURPLUS" military arm markets, or Black Markets.

This is the ideal situation for such shenanigans and the Ukraine conflict is already rife with this sort of issue.
All of them, one is dealing with a slimy, corrupt, lying piece of $hit Liberal........:(
 
Better to Ukraine than the smelter.

If you are out of rifle ammunition the pistol is better than your knife or your fists.
A buddy of mine who was CAF was issued a pistol as he carried a SAW said if he ever needed his pistol it meant he was about to die. Another said he only carried his on base and opted for extra rifle mags when he went on operations in Afghanistan. That being said maybe we can reimport them after the next election and interested Canadian gun nuts can buy them and preserve these peices of Canadian history.
 
For anyone who thinks the Ukrainians can use them, there really isn't any shortage of small arms over there. Artillery shells - yes. Small arms no. If there were any Ukrainians having to go "enemy at the gates" style (when the first man is killed, the second picks up the rifle and shoots (c)) it would not be missed by the Russian propaganda. So really, there's no shortage, but money they are always hungry for and will always find a use for ;)

So I'm really not sure why you guys are upset. Ukrainians will turn around and sell them to the highest bidder as it's been rumoured for other weapons they got. Then if you really want that Inglis you can buy one. Sure would be nice if the money went to Canada's budget rather than someone's pocket but otherwise we'll still get them if we want ;)
 
I have a friend, former re-enactor as myself, he is with 3d brigade (Azov) now. He had as his sidearms: TT-33, then switched to BHP Belgium made under Nazi occupation, then switched to P-08. I will tell him Inglis HPs are coming... He does this just for sake of love for historical firearms.

Lol. He does it just for the sake of love for everything nazzi... even joined azov.. lol
After re-enacting, he got a chance to fulfill his wish.. pretty sad. Canada once helped Russia to fight nazzis, and now they are supporting them in ukraine.
 
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