a thought on 10 rounders in an m14.

45ACPKING, you gotta know your gonna get flak for that comment... "Seems to me it would invite more hassle than it is worth"... lol.

If the AIA is in Canada and approved for sale, you should be able to use it however you want.
 
Smokepole said:
If the AIA is in Canada and approved for sale, you should be able to use it however you want.
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Execpt are these specifically marked "AIA Bolt Action Rifle" on them kinda like how the AR pistol mags are marked ?? :confused:

If not I say goodluck to explaining "hole and no hole" to the cops when someone decides to call them cause they think you got a "evil" magazine. :eek:

Dimitri
 
Dimitri said:
Execpt are these specifically marked "AIA Bolt Action Rifle" on them kinda like how the AR pistol mags are marked ?? :confused:

If not I say goodluck to explaining "hole and no hole" to the cops when someone decides to call them cause they think you got a "evil" magazine. :eek:

Dimitri
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There we go, thats what I want to know too!!

If they are marked to which rifle it is been made for AND it works correctly, i'm in for a try.
 
I'm just thinking the LAR-15 Pistol magazines are clearly marked as pistol Magazines:

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So they are good to go with a simple talk to a police officer, as if the cop knows semi-automatic rifle magazines are limited to 5 rounds they'll know pistol magazines are ok at 10 rounds.

But without any good markings on the magazines, well talking maynot get you out of the problem, even if you got to the court room, as cops and judges are not by default knowledgeable in firearms, so its a "he said/she said" type of deal at that point.

Dimitri
 
Now it seems clear that some of you are trying to get this thing prohibited as well. If it fits, and you can use it.... use it. Stevo quoted the letter of the law. If you keep bugging CFC and push all the right buttons - with your righteous attitude, then - like 45ACPKING mentioned - you'll attract their undue attention and screw all that is left good.
I don't think that someone in their right mind can think that in Canada, arguing in favor of de-restricting a device because it resembles another with the said status.... will produce the intended consequence. Rather the opposite.... the one used for example will get the same-blame status.

What's the difference between an inline muzzleloader and a flintlock? one is a firearm and has to be registered because it fires dragon-fire?
Why is the Dragunov prohibited when it is clearly not an AK variant, and is less powerful and less accurate than an M14?.....

Vote and call you MPs.... that is the ONLY power we have. getting the CFC to put their letterhead on an "OK" for AIA is not only futile, but also making a disservice to us all, don't you think?
 
eltorro is right, why stir up stink asking CFC and the RCMP? If the mag works use it, IF the AIA mag is a legal bolt action mag, you can use it in whatever firearm you like, that much of the law is clear.
The law also says "lee enfield mags...blah, blah ..exempt, limit 10..."
Here is a link to the old discussion on the subject, so we don't re-hash too much of the same stuff.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=155315
BTW, 11 pages of disscussion there and NO ONE will say if it works under recoil. Might be a good idea to just try it and keep it to yourself, before we see a mag restriction on AIA mags.
 
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Eltorro/Smokepole.

No one on here is being malicious or stupid...and IMHO it's not unreasonable to ask the powers that be if using a mag they approved for use in an Aussie Enfield is kosher in a Chicom M305.

Especially with the consequences of a wrong choice being catastrophic.

IMHO, with AIA admitting that the AIA Enfield mag is a US made "M 14 type" mag it's a no brainer that it is compatible...just like the AIA in 7.62x39 was specifically designed to take AK/SKSD mags.

Just don't ask me to bet anything on the legallity issue.
 
If no mods are made to the mag, and the mag has been approved for import into Canada, it dosen't matter what gun you put it in. The status of the mag or the rifle does not change.
As long as the AIA mags can be distinguished from an M14 mag - no hole should be enough - AIA stampings would be better, and like the AR pistol mag, a paragraph of explanation on the mag body would be even better yet.
The law is very clear on the status of mags, and there is even an added paragraph in referance to "Lee Enfield" mags, stating a legal capacity as 10 rds.
CFC and the RCMP knew the AR pistol mag would fit the AR rifle and they allowed it to be imported anyway. Perhaps they are aware that AIA mags can fit M14s. Perhaps they don't see it as a big deal and are wondering why it took us so long to figure it out.
Do we have the AIAs in .223 or 5.56 here in Canada? If not, perhaps they don't import it here because the mags are exact knockoffs of the AK and AR15 mags. I guess they could still be imported, if that was the case, but the mags would be 5rds.
We still need a report on whether the mag will function, unmodified in an M14.
 
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So, is the AIA mag marked as such?
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They have a serial number written on the bottom in some kind of ink. It's just a number, there's no AIA stamp or anything in the metal. The only way you can tell they are different is the lack of the hole

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Rusty, have you tried the mag while shooting? I wonder if it will stay in place under recoil?
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I've done 3 IPSC style rifle matches at my club. Each match was approx 20rds, so 2 mags per match. No failures so far. Also you still need to use the mag release to get them out, they're in there that tight.
 
Smokepole said:
The law is very clear on the status of mags, and there is even an added paragraph in referance to "Lee Enfield" mags, stating a legal capacity as 10 rds.
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I always thought that was in there to make sure there is no confusion that just cause SOME semi-automatic rifles do indeed take Lee-Enfield magazines it doesn't mean they need to be converted to 5 rounds when used in these semi-automatic firearms.

Dimitri
 
Actually, some Lee Enfields were made into full auto "sub-machine guns". As I understand it, the clause was there to protect enfield owners from manditory 5 rd pinning. (Proves you can build FA out of almost anything!)
It dosen't really matter why it is there, but it is.
 
Smokepole said:
Actually, some Lee Enfields were made into full auto "sub-machine guns". As I understand it, the clause was there to protect enfield owners from manditory 5 rd pinning. (Proves you can build FA out of almost anything!)
It dosen't really matter why it is there, but it is.
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Thouse were fugly! :puke:

They should never be mentioned again! :slap:

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Charlton Automatic Rifles made by New Zealand.

Gun City in New Zealand is selling one. :runaway:

Dimitri
 
That looks like a Bren mag to me...
The Enfield rifle was also used as a basis for a pistol caliber conversion that replaced the bolt group - I don't remember what it was called. It did not use the .303 mag, but had its own sub caliber mag.
Anyway, we are off topic...
 
Smokepole said:
That looks like a Bren mag to me...
The Enfield rifle was also used as a basis for a pistol caliber conversion that replaced the bolt group - I don't remember what it was called. It did not use the .303 mag, but had its own sub caliber mag.
Anyway, we are off topic...
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Your right, that is a Bren magazine but the rifle could accept both from what I've read about it. :)

And the carbide is the Delise Carbine with a built in silencer. Which is I guess where the Germans got the idea for the MP5SD.

Dimitri
 
Dimitri said:
Your right, that is a Bren magazine but the rifle could accept both from what I've read about it. :)

And the carbide is the Delise Carbine with a built in silencer. Which is I guess where the Germans got the idea for the MP5SD.

Dimitri
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The Charlton was designed to accept both a regular Enfield 10 round mag and the Bren mag.

There was also the Howard Francis Self-Loading Carbine that was a semi auto built on the SMLE that fired the 7.63x25mm Mauser pistol round.
 
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