Crusader Arms Crypto

ATRS Shaun said:
I'm saying this in jest, but are you not familiar with why 80% lowers were prohibited, even prior to may 1 2020? Cuz they said it was as likely to be an M16 as an AR15. So yeah, literally blocks of aluminum.
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I remember long ago a talking head from some agency saying the raw material had to be serialized and registered as soon as there was intent to make it a gun

This is potentially an illegal unserialized Canadian made AR15.

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Leg said:
He’s a manufacturer, I’m sure he knows more than most on here about the laws and the shenanigans of the RCMP lab after submitting more than a couple of firearms for classification. What does it matter that #### is proprietary? Those azz clowns 🤡 have determined that the Mossberg 715 is an AR-15 variant!

According to the lab they didn’t manufacture a NR, they made an AR variant. I assume they didn’t submit it to the lab because they didn’t want to chance a ruling. Pretty naive (willful ignorance?) to not verify before making a major investment.

As for what he’s smoking, what they did is against the law if the lab is correct and they’ve been making prohibs. Weapons trafficking, CCC 99 (1), and possession of computer data CCC 102.1 (1) are two charges they could use. So yes, it does matter what you can do with some CAD files.
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It's evident that right now the RCMP can just classify any gun as a variant of any other gun as they wish.

I'm not a lawyer. But if they attempt to prosecute, then their definition of "variant" would have to be put to the test in court.
 
MilsurpLover said:
Anyone familiar with Crusader’s new platform? Thoughts on the viability of investing in new semi-auto platforms given the arbitrary decision to make theoretical magazine capacity a grounds for determining classification?

Seems to be being marketed as an alternative to the Lockhart Raven (DI/AR manual of arms/parts compatibility) around the same price point.

Only downside seems to be the lack of compatibility with STANAG magazines. On their website the mitigation seems to be that the rifle will ship w/8 mags (4 double ended).

In the past (about two years ago) I had a fairly bad experience with crusader while trying to purchase a Templar. Has their customer service improved at all? Would this be a remotely worthwhile purchase or are people better off waiting to buy a Raven or Modern Sporter?

Product Video: m.youtube.com/watch?v=mCyTE24VkQI

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ATRS Shaun said:
I'm saying this in jest, but are you not familiar with why 80% lowers were prohibited, even prior to may 1 2020? Cuz they said it was as likely to be an M16 as an AR15. So yeah, literally blocks of aluminum. The whole thing is a stupid system trying to accomplish stupid goals.

Yes, you are correct the word in the law is 'easily converted' if I recall.



Seperate from that reply; I think a lot of people should re-watch the Q&A with Crusader Arms with the benefit of hindsight now. I personally think Ian Runkle's 'assessment' is extremely optimistic and ignores the legal liability C.A. is potentially open to.

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And just like that, the video has been moved to private.
 
Oh come on "Code of Arms", The man spoke, let the people who bought his product hear his words. Leave the censorship to the CBC.
Blocking the video only two hours after I posted it.

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FatCatsDad said:
I remember long ago a talking head from some agency saying the raw material had to be serialized and registered as soon as there was intent to make it a gun

This is potentially an illegal unserialized Canadian made AR15.

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I'd actually LOVE registering a metric ton of raw material per day "intended" to become firearms.
Let them see what that genius idea really looks like. Would be so much fun.
 
ATRS Shaun said:
I'm saying this in jest, but are you not familiar with why 80% lowers were prohibited, even prior to may 1 2020? Cuz they said it was as likely to be an M16 as an AR15. So yeah, literally blocks of aluminum. The whole thing is a stupid system trying to accomplish stupid goals.

Yes, you are correct the word in the law is 'easily converted' if I recall.



Seperate from that reply; I think a lot of people should re-watch the Q&A with Crusader Arms with the benefit of hindsight now. I personally think Ian Runkle's 'assessment' is extremely optimistic and ignores the legal liability C.A. is potentially open to.

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Apologies sometimes things on line can be lost in translation, I can delete my comments if you feel they detract
 
R711 said:
Apologies sometimes things on line can be lost in translation, I can delete my comments if you feel they detract
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Not at all! The German engineer just made me chuckle was all.
We had to start putting the serial number in on the first operation when making lowers for this reason.
 
The Crypto is being memory holed by Crusader Arms. All online media removed.
Maybe legal advice? Maybe it never existed?

Do you recall if there was a dedicated manual online, or one in the box?
 
Feminist said:
It's evident that right now the RCMP can just classify any gun as a variant of any other gun as they wish.

I'm not a lawyer. But if they attempt to prosecute, then their definition of "variant" would have to be put to the test in court.
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Wasn't the term variant a part of the May 2020 OiC legal challenge? From what I recall the judge never made them give a firm definition?

That said, if you look at the dictionary it's a pretty vague and ambiguous term:

adjective
tending to change or alter; exhibiting variety or diversity; varying:
variant shades of color.

not agreeing or conforming; differing, especially from something of the same general kind.
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joemanco said:
The Crypto is being memory holed by Crusader Arms. All online media removed.
Maybe legal advice? Maybe it never existed?

Do you recall if there was a dedicated manual online, or one in the box?
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Well, that's not good. Time to get digging, melting, whatever your preference.
 
joemanco said:
The Crypto is being memory holed by Crusader Arms. All online media removed.
Maybe legal advice? Maybe it never existed?

Do you recall if there was a dedicated manual online, or one in the box?
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Mandela effect like the Monoply guys Monacle or the Fruit of the Loom Horn of Plenty
 
Wonder how many were made? I predict that these will be the subject of much discussion for years if not decades to come. "Anybody heard of these Canadian rifles from the 10's that used 100% AR parts and almost wasn't an AR? Whenever I bring it up with the old boys at the gun club, they all wink at each other and tell me they've never heard of such a marvelous thing."
 
Grain said:
Wonder how many were made? I predict that these will be the subject of much discussion for years if not decades to come. "Anybody heard of these Canadian rifles from the 10's that used 100% AR parts and almost wasn't an AR? Whenever I bring it up with the old boys at the gun club, they all wink at each other and tell me they've never heard of such a marvelous thing."
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lmao.

You say that like they were the first... or even second or third.
ATRS (arguably 3 different models), Maccabee SLR, SA TSR (complicated), Lockheart Raven... Then I'm probably forgetting one or two...
 
FatCatsDad said:
I remember long ago a talking head from some agency saying the raw material had to be serialized and registered as soon as there was intent to make it a gun

This is potentially an illegal unserialized Canadian made AR15.

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Just wait until they find out the same thing can be done with a block of wood. All trees will need serial# then we'll be safe from the scourge that are guns.
 
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