Down the rabbit hole again with the 9.3x62mm Mauser...

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I suppose the polite thing to do is to invite you along while I go down the rabbit hole 'yet again' with the 9.3x62mm Mauser cartridge designed by Otto Bock back in 1905... You see, for me it all started with a friend and being exposed to his European Browning BAR. And I'll be honest, if you know me you'll know it really didn't take much in the way of convincing, let alone 'twisting' of my rubber arm. To top it off, I soon discovered that approximately half of the African countries where dangerous game hunting is allowed, also permit those hunters to use this venerable cartridge. From that moment, I was hooked on getting a 9.3 as I daydreamed about going on Safari one day...

And this is where my very own European BAR in 9.3x62 entered the picture. It was procured from a fellow board member and I installed a Sightron S-TAC 2-10x32 scope with the duplex reticle. Everything felt perfect and it looked great! Then, I went to the range and the rifle proceeded to jam on me several times with both Hornady & PPU ammunition. Frustrated, I returned home and sold the rifle with full disclosure on the EE. It was some time later that I noticed a post pop up from a board member asking for help with a Browning BAR... See for yourself, Post 14 is where I weighed in on that discussion.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/help-with-browning-bar.2131327/#post-17868409

So with a clear conscience and the 9.3 itch having been scratched, or so I thought, I went back to the ol' 35 Whelen. As with most firearms enthusiasts, a few guns came and went, but that 9.3 itch never really disappeared. In an attempt to douse the smouldering embers that I feared would burst into flames unless I did something about it, I posted a question on the forum about Winchester's semi auto SXR2 which you can buy in 9.3x62. Here's that thread. https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/threads/winchester-sxr2-semi-in-9-3x62-thoughts.2514263/

Now I can't explain it, but for some reason I just couldn't bring myself to pull the trigger and buy one of those Winchesters. To me, there just wasn't enough information online, nor reviews on YouTube to quell the trepidation I felt while considering a SXR2 following my European BAR experience. But that sure didn't stop me from googling and googling some more.

Which lead me to yet another 9.3x62 discovery, and that was that there'd been a change in distributorship for Sauer rifles. That change resulted in the decision to clear some inventory and put the Sauer 100 XT on sale. Yes, yes, yes, I hear you already, it's a bolt not a semi. But hear me out, we need to side-track for a moment. I just came into possession of my first bolt action in 7.62x39, a CZ 600 Alpha. It is a sweet little gem that I purchased on clearance from Nechako Outdoors, which I topped with an Elite 3200 2-7x32 and have since printed sub MOA groups using Sellier & Bellot soft point ammunition. See for yourself in Nechako Outdoors thread where I posted some pics etc. https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...x39-cgn-promo-354-discount-free-ship.2513231/ So you'll have to forgive me, I'm kinda sold (at the moment) on the quality and value for money that I'm personally seeing from European firearms manufacturers. Which is why I then made the decision to compromise on the semi auto platform and purchase a synthetic stocked bolt action Sauer 100 Classic XT in 9.3x62mm Mauser from site sponsor Precision Optics.

You'll recall from earlier in the discussion that I mounted a Sightron S-TAC 2-10x32 scope with the duplex reticle on my long gone BAR. What I've failed to mention until now is I've come to quite like the Bushnell Elite 4500 2.5-10x40 scope with 30mm tube and duplex reticle as I'd picked up several of them on clearance. So it's the Bushnell that I plan to mount on the Sauer using medium height Talley lightweight scope rings. Can you tell that it's hard for me to resist a deal? Chuckle.

So let's go through the list of essentials required to scratch my recurring 9.3 itch:
(1) Rifle, CHECK;
(2) Scope, CHECK;
(3) Scope rings, CHECK;
(4) Spare magazine (because one is really none...), CHECK; and...
(5) Ammunition, HOLD THE PHONE!!!

When I threw the semi out of the house, I also sold the ammunition to my buddy who started this whole racket... And off I went to find & purchase five boxes of 9.3x62mm Mauser ammunition, which I see as the minimum anyone should have for their hunting rifle. By the way, has anyone had a look at the price of ammo recently? Because I'll be honest, the prices are starting to feel a bit like highway robbery!

I know you folks are wondering what the status of this whole project is, and I can tell you we are definitely deep down the 9.3 rabbit hole once again. Options have been weighed, and both a compromise and purchase decisions made. All to say that I am happy to report that the first of three parcels arrived today. What this also tells you is that there'll be further updates to this post as parcels 2, 3 and 4 arrive, not to mention my initial impressions of the Sauer and following the installation of the scope, a range report shortly thereafter... So standby for those!

Now, who's curious to see a pic of what showed up first? I'll give you a hint, it's not the rifle as I'd be posting my initial impressions in this thread, chuckle... It was the ammunition & it looks GREAT! (And no laughing, but with today's ammo prices I'll be praying from now until the end of the first range trip that the Sauer 100 Classic XT loves this 9.3x62mm ammunition from Hornady...)

Thanks for reading & following along!

Cheers
Jay
P.S. About that itch. None of us are going to live forever and you can't take your money with you, so my unsolicited advice is to buy the rifle, scope, rings and ammunition to scratch that itch...
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Cough, cough...hmm, cough...so I am the "friend" referenced above, and he and I do still speak.

I still have my BAR, that functions without problem, but also a Ruger African in 9.3.

Great cartridge, current ammo that is available seems like a bargain given 285 grain bullets, etc.

Seems like a inherently accurate round, as both my rifles clover-leaf, irrespective of brand.

I am a glad that Jay is happy, for the moment...I know he wans my BAR!

Regards,
Patrick.
 
Cough, cough...hmm, cough...so I am the "friend" referenced above, and he and I do still speak.

I still have my BAR, that functions without problem, but also a Ruger African in 9.3.

Great cartridge, current ammo that is available seems like a bargain given 285 grain bullets, etc.

Seems like a inherently accurate round, as both my rifles clover-leaf, irrespective of brand.

I am a glad that Jay is happy, for the moment...I know he wans my BAR!

Regards,
Patrick.
Yes, you’re a lucky man your BAR runs… And a little birdie told that my old BAR is actually up and running, but it took 6 owners to get it there & that’s a bridge too far for me! Any chance you want to sell me back some of that PPU at 2021 prices? Chuckle.
 
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Jay, you should be loading your own ammo...........and I can help with brass and bullets..........9.3 x 62 is a great cartridge, and mine is a Tikka T3.

Doug
I do reload & I will at some point, factory was just the quickest way for me to scratch the itch lol! And thanks for that Doug, I’ll be in touch!
 
Ohhhlee-ohhh heck.
I’m gonna leep in and say the butler did it.

Oww many pares of shewzs did this wee journey cost you?

I tawt the moral of the story was gonba be you gartzs yer BAR back. 🤔
 
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Ohhhlee-ohhh heck.
I’m gonna leep in and say the butler did it.

Oww many pares of shewzs did this wee journey cost you?

I tawt the moral of the story was gonba be you gartzs yer BAR back. 🤔
If you're looking for a confession, here it is:

"This purchase was not authorized by the Ministry of Wifely Approval & the purchaser failed to have his permit in hand before moving forward with scratching his 9.3 itch again. Having said that, should the Ministry of Wifely Approval discover that an illicit acquisition has occurred, the purchaser is prepared to immediately placate the Minister with "Date Night", which includes pre-dinner drinks, appetizers, the main course and dessert."

Now, if any of you guys rat me out, I'll be sending the dinner bill your way! LMAO... All in good humour gentlemen, my wife's actually an awesome lady who I've been with for 32 years & counting...

Cheers
Jay
 
IIRC, that particular ammo was not given rave reviews by those who've used it on game. Might have been loaded light, or thinner jacketed bullets that didn't penetrate to expectation. I could be wrong though. Just going off of memory from past 9.3 threads.

While I've shot the cartridge, I don't own a 9.3x62 rifle. I just prefer lighter recoil.

My best friend rolls with a T3x Battue in that cartridge and he's taken 2 very nice bull moose with it in the past few years. Both with Norma 286gr Oryx ammo. It's very capable for anything in North America.

I was kind of hoping you'd try out that Winchester Jay. Some hands on reviews from guys I trust here would be helpful.
 
IIRC, that particular ammo was not given rave reviews by those who've used it on game. Might have been loaded light, or thinner jacketed bullets that didn't penetrate to expectation. I could be wrong though. Just going off of memory from past 9.3 threads.

While I've shot the cartridge, I don't own a 9.3x62 rifle. I just prefer lighter recoil.

My best friend rolls with a T3x Battue in that cartridge and he's taken 2 very nice bull moose with it in the past few years. Both with Norma 286gr Oryx ammo. It's very capable for anything in North America.

I was kind of hoping you'd try out that Winchester Jay. Some hands on reviews from guys I trust here would be helpful.
It's unlikely I'll shoot any game animal with this specific ammo bigger than a whitetail deer or a black bear, getting a moose license is a pipe dream in most of Ontario... So if that ammo has a thin jacket, but shoots decent in the rifle, then I'll be happy. Then there's other factory ammunition offerings & of course reloading.

And, I hear ya on the semi auto Winchester. I'll admit to being VERY tempted, but as you said some hands on reviews would increase the confidence of potential customers so they don't feel like beta testers!

The other consideration is I don't think the gun grabbers will ever stop. And for me that means that they are eventually coming for the semi auto hunting rifles... So the bottom line is, while I am enamoured with the 9.3 I don't 'need' it, so I was willing to compromise on what platform I got it in, hence the bolt...
 
Love my Sauer xt 100. I got it from profit river for 799. I should have bought more chamberings. It's accurate and light and nimble rifle. Surprisingly soft shooting with hornady outfitter ammo. The international ammo seems to shed the jacket in the back stop but shows great expansion. The bullets I bought to reload are the same interlock 286gr but marked as rp and they seem to hold together very well
I didn't chrono any loads yet as it was cold and windy and my buddies range was ice covered

Took a bit to get used to the stiff bolt opening but none of my other rifles have such a shallow bolt radius. The bolt runs smooth I'm just used to more angle which creates less force to ####
I currently have a 1-4x20 on mine which i like but I may put a 1-8x32 forge on it. I just need to replace the 2 piece bases with a rail

I haven't hunted with mine yet but I'm sure it will be a perfect bear rifle and general all around big game gun and of course worthy for plains game in africa
 
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I just sighted in my t3x with the same international ammo and it shot pretty good for me. I've heard about the jacket issues as well but only plan to use it for deer and black bear so it actually seemed like a good fit
 
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I'm in the same boat. I owned one previously and sold it (a Zastava bolt action which was absolute trash) but the itch for a 9.3 has never gone away. I'm currently debating between a used Husky (a project to detail strip, deep clean, strip and refinish the stock, trigger job, etc), a new Sauer or Tikka, or repurposing an existing rifle and having it rebarreled since I have a few .480 long action rifles sitting around I could use, even though I'm not sure I want a 9.3 quite bad enough to go that route. KS Arms offers 9.3 blanks.

Luckily I kept the factory ammo, 3 boxes of Norma Alaska with 286gr bullets (two full boxes and a few loose rounds left) as well as my once-fired brass and RCBS dies so I'm covered from that side.

Totally don't need one, I have a .35 Whelen and a .375 H&H Magnum which easily covers everything off but, you know, I just think it's cool.
 
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I'm in the same boat. I owned one previously and sold it (a Zastava bolt action which was absolute trash) but the itch for a 9.3 has never gone away. I'm currently debating between a used Husky (a project to detail strip, deep clean, strip and refinish the stock, trigger job, etc), a new Sauer or Tikka, or repurposing an existing rifle and having it rebarreled since I have a few .480 long action rifles sitting around I could use, even though I'm not sure I want a 9.3 quite bad enough to go that route. KS Arms offers 9.3 blanks.

Luckily I kept the factory ammo, 3 boxes of Norma Alaska with 286gr bullets (two full boxes and a few loose rounds left) as well as my once-fired brass and RCBS dies so I'm covered from that side.

Totally don't need one, I have a .35 Whelen and a .375 H&H Magnum which easily covers everything off but, you know, I just think it's cool.
35..366. 375. Totally different. Enough so you can't leave out the middle one.
Trend of the 2020s IS inclusion so it's justified
 
I've always had good luck with Hornady Custom International ammo in terms of accuracy for the 6.5x55 Swede and 7.92x57 (IS 8mm).

And IMO, the scope shouldn't let you down with good warranty provided, if needed.

I have "split feelings" for Talley rings though, I hope they work as intended for you.
 
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I've always had good luck with Hornady Custom International ammo in terms of accuracy for the 6.5x55 Swede and 7.92x57 (IS 8mm).

And IMO, the scope shouldn't let you down with good warranty provided, if needed.

I have "split feelings" for Talley rings though, I hope they work as intended for you.
What issues have you had with the Talley rings? I have one other set of vertically split Talley rings & I don't like them, but these ones are horizontally split, which I much prefer...
 
This is my opinion only,...

If something goes wrong you loose the scope base and the ring, altogether at once. The base is IMO too high for giving you an elevation point, unless you file/cut/drill an aiming spot/reference into it.

Bases can get you a kind a of an aiming point/channel and are less prone to fail in compared to rings.
 
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