it would be a fmj bullet
had nothing to do with a hunting bullet
.223 for everything, the gunnutz version
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had nothing to do with a hunting bullet
Buddy wanted the hide for a rug
54#s of meat (weighed)
Lazed at 173 yards
Quartering away.
.223 -75 gr eldm
Bullet entered 6" ish behind front leg, obliterated lungs and top half off heart and a small fragment exited just in front of offside shoulder. Total distance travelled- 1 yard
54#s of meat (weighed)
Lazed at 173 yards
Quartering away.
.223 -75 gr eldm
Bullet entered 6" ish behind front leg, obliterated lungs and top half off heart and a small fragment exited just in front of offside shoulder. Total distance travelled- 1 yard
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Tis the season for beavers and bears here on the farm...My .223's just don't give me the confidence to get the job done with the authority the task calls for...Yes even the beavers need more thump than the .223 will provide day in day out...PERIOD
Last prairie dog hunt I was on in Montana even called for more thump than the .223 could muster...We by shear need to get the job done had to pull out the .243's and 25-06's to reach and mist the plump dogs right.
Last prairie dog hunt I was on in Montana even called for more thump than the .223 could muster...We by shear need to get the job done had to pull out the .243's and 25-06's to reach and mist the plump dogs right.
How much game have you ever taken with the 73, 75, 80, 88 gr ELDM or 77gr TMK?
That's what you're shooting the beavers with right?
Odd how it so repeatedly smashes bears and moose, just drops the hammer on them, but doesn't cleanly kill beavers.
Or, could just be you aren't using those bullets at all, don't know what they do, and resist that which you have no experience with cause...reasons?
Seriously?
Many trapper up here use a 22 mag and think the .223 is overkill.
I've shot a ton with the 22 mag .222 with absolutely no worries but I tended to load the .222 down when I was saving hides.
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69 gr SMK's, 64 gr TGK's, 55 gr Nosler Ballistic Tips, 52 gr HPBt and 50 gr Blitzkings...
Thing is I know how to extrapolate and a .223 is still a .223 no matter what pill you pop...Energy is energy these same bullets out of a 22-250 or a 220 Swift are a whole different animal...Speed kills with light bullets and the .223 just doesn't have it.
Thing is I know how to extrapolate and a .223 is still a .223 no matter what pill you pop...Energy is energy these same bullets out of a 22-250 or a 220 Swift are a whole different animal...Speed kills with light bullets and the .223 just doesn't have it.
Okay so not using the bullets in question at all but sure it's not a good idea cause "nuh uh"...no matter how much evidence there is.
Got it. You cant reason when someone prefers to not live in reality but sometimes it's so very hard to shift a paradigm
"Speed kills" is true but entirely dependent on bullet construction...and therefore relative. That's the part being consciously blocked from understanding here.
Energy, meanwhile, takes a big big backseat.
Theres also the fact that it's pretty evident what works great on atomizing a 1 lb animal is probably not the choice to go through a moose shoulder and mess up vitals.
You can extrapolate alright...doesnt mean its correct.
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The hps and tgk are simply not gonna do much on long range gophers. The other 2 are better choices. I can tell you that a 55 gr blitzking starting at just 3100 still blows gophers clean in half from a 8 twist 223 at 450 yards. It'll be softer than the ballistic tip.
The 77 gr tmk is where it's at for big game. I've given my experiance with them earlier although I didn't do the shooting. A tough 55 gr sp is also nobodies fool on big game. There's a few good ones.
I recently developed a load for the new 62 gr eld-vt. Got them going 3140 with decent groups and great sd. Gives crazy numbers in the wind drift department compared to the 22250 and 204 shooting good bc traditional varmit weights. Like half the drift.
And this is exactly why I don’t understand the extreme 223 love on big game. It works. Very well in many situations. I’d happily use it. But. I’ve killed a lot of coyotes with a 223, 22-250, and the 243. The visible difference in performance is stark.
The 5.56, or the .223 cause they are for all intent and purpose the same round, was developed and adopted by the US military because it allowed your standard soldier to carry more rounds at the same weight as the 7.62. This worked great in Vietnam as most of the fighting was done in closer quarters due mostly because of the jungle environment. During the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts the Americans pulled thousands of M-14's out of storage and put them into use. Why? Because the range of fighting had expanded greatly and while the 5.56 could reach a man at 400 to 500yrd they were not doing so effectively to neutralize the threat. Hunting large game is no different, could a 5.56 do it.... Probably...... but the range is what will honestly limit this round. The further you reach, the less effective this round will become resulting in a lot more wounds to kills. That is an issue because to many hunter over-reach their hunting ability as it is and to many hunters will wound an animal and abandon the search for a wounded animal rather then search for it.
I use a 30-06 for all of my big game hunting and my range is about 300m because that is how far I feel confident that I can deliver a consistent kill shot. I own a .223 for coyote hunting, and while I feel more confident in my accuracy with the .223 I will continue to use my 30-06 for deer and moose because I've seen a 75-100lb coyote shrug off a .223 and still travel several hundred yards before finally dropping. My faith in that same round effectively dropping a 800-1000lb moose is about the same as the faith I have in the liberal government.
I use a 30-06 for all of my big game hunting and my range is about 300m because that is how far I feel confident that I can deliver a consistent kill shot. I own a .223 for coyote hunting, and while I feel more confident in my accuracy with the .223 I will continue to use my 30-06 for deer and moose because I've seen a 75-100lb coyote shrug off a .223 and still travel several hundred yards before finally dropping. My faith in that same round effectively dropping a 800-1000lb moose is about the same as the faith I have in the liberal government.
