.260 Remington

Meroh said:
Mag length... Whoop-dee-doo! LOL Swede still outperforms the CM with "Heavy for Caliber" bullets; actually originally designed for 158 gr. back in 1896. It is still around after over 130 years. Even the old military rifles had very fast twists.

Manbuns and Lulu Lemons don't make up for good old powder capacity. If you need more than the Swede gives, then 6.5 x 55 AI.

Will be Creed be here in 130 years? Only time will tell. By then, if Hornady is still around, I'm sure they will have muddied the waters even more with dozens more redundant fad cartridges.
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The National Course competitors and PRS competitors that originally started using the Creedmoor were not using it in swede length actions and magazines, nor in 1896 Mausers.
It just happened that it became a very popular cartridge for hunting and competitions.
It is right in the middle of the 6.5 spectrum of cartridges as far as case capacity and velocity go.
However if it were me and I were buying a rifle and it was in 6.5 Creedmoor, it would have to be in a very special rifle , because I still have one 6.5 and it is a Mannlicher Schoenauer and that is a hard to beat combination as a hunting round.
For competitions , the 6.5 would be a consideration for an F/open or a steel match gun, bit I don't shoot either, so it would be a deal breaker for me - but then, so would a match rifle in 6.5X55:cautious:
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iron cat said:
The National Course competitors and PRS competitors that originally started using the Creedmoor were not using it in swede length actions and magazines, nor in 1896 Mausers.
It just happened that it became a very popular cartridge for hunting and competitions.
It is right in the middle of the 6.5 spectrum of cartridges as far as case capacity and velocity go.
However if it were me and I were buying a rifle and it was in 6. Creedmoor, it would have to be in a very special rifle , because I still have one 6.5 and it is a Mannlicher Schoenauer and that is a hard to beat combination as a hunting rould.
For competitions , the 6.5 would be a consideration for an F/open or a steel match gun, bit I don't shoot either, so it would be a deal breaker for me - but then, so would a match rifle in 6.5X55:cautious:
Cat
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If I wanted a 6mm, .243 Winchester with a fast twist is really hard to beat.
 
Meroh said:
Mag length... Whoop-dee-doo! LOL Swede still outperforms the CM with "Heavy for Caliber" bullets; actually originally designed for 158 gr. back in 1896. It is still around after over 130 years. Even the old military rifles had very fast twists.

Manbuns and Lulu Lemons don't make up for good old powder capacity. If you need more than the Swede gives, then 6.5 x 55 AI.

Will be Creed be here in 130 years? Only time will tell. By then, if Hornady is still around, I'm sure they will have muddied the waters even more with dozens more redundant fad cartridges.
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Not everything is about case capacity.
 
What I really loved about my 260 rifles was the fact that my RCBS Precision Mic in .308 worked as a headspace measuring tool for my .260 since the 260 is from the .308 parent cartridge. I made my 260 brass from 243 brass.

I’m shooting a 6.5 Needmore these days since growing a top knot is part of my Asian heritage! Yuk Yuk Yuk.... Besides SRP brass is easy to find with Peterson and Starline (my preference for availability) !
 
Meroh said:
Sure, time will tell. Marginal improvements are not always easy to justify for some of us.
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Time has by FAR TOLD ! 260 Rem is a relic now - The CMs have taken over !
We have the 22 - the 6 - now the 25 and we have the 6.5 we just need a 7 and to reintroduce the 30 TC as a 30 CM and get the brass mans to crank out some good brass ! 👍🤪

338 Federal and 358 Win can just stay on the 308 case as neck angle isn’t a problem or is coal 👍
 
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dan belisle said:
Not everything is about mag length. So it goes. Choose your cartridge, choose your platform. Have a good time. - dan
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I agree.

Which is why these arguments are so asinine and pedantic.

There is no "best". It's all about what tradeoffs you are willing to make in order to obtain your objectives.

Maybe that ends up .260. Maybe 6.5 Creedmoor. Maybe a completely different cartridge.
 
Desert Precision said:
I agree.

Which is why these arguments are so asinine and pedantic.

There is no "best". It's all about what tradeoffs you are willing to make in order to obtain your objectives.

Maybe that ends up .260. Maybe 6.5 Creedmoor. Maybe a completely different cartridge.
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Your No FUN 🤪 lol 😂
 
Desert Precision said:
The CM does better when it comes to shooting heavy (for caliber) projectiles from mag length OALs.

I know people love to get butthurt over 6.5 CM, but the .260 Rem was never properly supported by Remington. It never had a chance. You may call the 6.5 Creedmoor just a mere "marketing success", but properly supporting a cartridge is tantamount to its survival.
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Creedmoor was designed specifically for ar10 mags.

If you are running aics or a conventional .308 box mag, there is no advantage to limiting your powder capacity to CM, or Lapua.
 
Desert Precision said:
I agree.

Which is why these arguments are so asinine and pedantic.

There is no "best". It's all about what tradeoffs you are willing to make in order to obtain your objectives.

Maybe that ends up .260. Maybe 6.5 Creedmoor. Maybe a completely different cartridge.
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Bingo.

The utter nonsense that gets spread on forums like this, is the reason I spend so little time in forums like this.
 
remington jim said:
Time has by FAR TOLD ! 260 Rem is a relic now - The CMs have taken over !
We have the 22 - the 6 - now the 25 and we have the 6.5 we just need a 7 and to reintroduce the 30 TC as a 30 CM and get the brass mans to crank out some good brass ! 👍🤪

338 Federal and 358 Win can just stay on the 308 case as neck angle isn’t a problem or is coal 👍
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Taken over PRS? Or some other shooting game?
They are all decent cartridges the CM's, they haven't cleaned house on long range precision at all, most 1000m cartridges those folks run have less powder capacity and less recoil.
I like the PRC's a bit better to be honest.
 
Sorry, no experience. But this has always been my dream rifle chambering for deer. The compromise of barrel life/power lever/recoil level seems ideal to me, in my humble opinion.
 
99Solutions said:
Sorry, no experience. But this has always been my dream rifle chambering for deer. The compromise of barrel life/power lever/recoil level seems ideal to me, in my humble opinion.
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It is fantastic for that, has been for 130 years...lol
Not the 260, but the 6.5x55 Swede, pushing the same bullets the same speed, that's why there are so many old 6.5x55 still around for dirt cheap. My oldest one I shoot regularly was made in 1899, it's crazy accurate still.
 
Hitzy said:
It is fantastic for that, has been for 130 years...lol
Not the 260, but the 6.5x55 Swede, pushing the same bullets the same speed, that's why there are so many old 6.5x55 still around for dirt cheap. My oldest one I shoot regularly was made in 1899, it's crazy accurate still.
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The only reason I say 260 rem and not the 6.5x55 is that the Rem round cak be made from reformed 308 brass. If the Swede brass was plentiful, I’d vote it as #1 for this purpose. That’s an awesome hunting cartridge. Efficient beyond belief.
 
My first successful "F" class rifle was a 6.5x55. I also have one for hunting. I felt, and still feel, that a 140 gr bullet at around 2750 was just fine out to 900m or 1000 yd for "F". The 260 will do that. So will the 6.5 CM. Today, I would use the CM but wouldn't be totally against a 260 either. Bill
 
99Solutions said:
The only reason I say 260 rem and not the 6.5x55 is that the Rem round cak be made from reformed 308 brass. If the Swede brass was plentiful, I’d vote it as #1 for this purpose. That’s an awesome hunting cartridge. Efficient beyond belief.
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I too love the swede, and it has been doing it for more than 130 years. The one issue that some may have a problem with, is the cartridge base is not the same as the .308 line of cartridges. The SAAMI swede is .480" whereas the 308 is a .473" The majority of factory actions work, but custom actions may have tolerances that make this a bit snug.
 
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