Sounds eerily similar to the M+M fiasco with North Sylva...
Almost nothing left in a 9mm Rifle
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What action were you basing it on?
9mm is also almost twice the diameter of .22LR. It isn't the length that is the crucial number, it is the length to diameter ratio. I will also note that those .22LR bolt actions are purpose made for .22LR. Many of the 9mm bolt actions are converted from an existing action and not specifically made for 9mm.
Lots of handguns and semi-auto rifles run 9mm fine and it just takes an action designed for 9mm to do it. I don't think anyone has done that at scale yet with a bolt action design.
Mark
Since we're talking about bolt action 9mm PCC's, what are people interested in?
Straight pull or traditional rotating bolt?
Black rifle styling with rails or more traditional wood stock style like most hunting bolt actions?
Glock mags (limited to 10 rounds) or proprietary mag (unlimited capacity)? Some other existing mag?
Uses AR parts such as barrel and extension, bolt head, handguards?
Anything else I missed?
EDIT - I forgot a big one. If the rifle is to be a black rifle style then should it be an AR trigger group or something else? I'd say AR is a no brainer if it has an upper and lower receiver and the AR trigger group can be easily fitted.
Mark
Straight pull or traditional rotating bolt?
Black rifle styling with rails or more traditional wood stock style like most hunting bolt actions?
Glock mags (limited to 10 rounds) or proprietary mag (unlimited capacity)? Some other existing mag?
Uses AR parts such as barrel and extension, bolt head, handguards?
Anything else I missed?
EDIT - I forgot a big one. If the rifle is to be a black rifle style then should it be an AR trigger group or something else? I'd say AR is a no brainer if it has an upper and lower receiver and the AR trigger group can be easily fitted.
Mark
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That's what I'm thinking too, less an issue of "can't be done", more along the lines of "nobody is doing it", most likely for economic reasons. But I think we've finally hit a point where a bolt action or pump action 9mm would sell enough to make it worthwhile. Just go check out the thread on the Stowaway, lots of people wanting the 9mm version of that and it's a single shot.
Years ago I had in my Swiss lot ready made 9mm Mauser export small bolt rifle. It looked like one off custom made gunsmith project. First I thought it was 9mm Flobert but it had magazine and rifling. We used this rifle as the base. It needed some rework to make it suitable to be made more economically, changing magazine adapter to new CNC makable form. Rifle was #### on closing, had two locking lugs, one was the handel the other locking shoulder like in Mosin. Bolt head was removable with simple cut for ejector. Action was short with fat receiver. Just theoretically One day in case government decides to ban 9mm Luger in Canada I will post photos of this project for now better not give competition any ideas. As long as we could source decent wood stock for this at normal price I was aiming to sale them for around under $700 per unit
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Yes, there wasn't much of a business case for it before massive government overreach and malfeasance. I certainly never meant to imply it couldn't be done, just that there are inherent difficulties in feeding pistol cartridges compared to rifle cartridges.
Mark
Maybe, maybe not. A 357mag is nearly 50% longer and has a rim. Most lever actions are designed around rimmed cartridges and tend to be picky with OAL.
Maybe it's just me but it seems like feeding from a box mag is easier to get figured out than a tube mag?
If you build it, they will come
Rimmed vs rimless design makes it super hard. Similar but opposite to how theres so few semiautos in 357 mag
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If someone does go mag fed for a 9mm lever gun i hope its a proprietary mag, for obvious reasons.
I wasn't thinking box mag on a lever, no. The tm22 lever action IS mag-fed though, as is the ludicrously expensive Tombstone in 9mm, so its certainly possible to do.
A bolt action seems like the cheapest option, or maybe a pump? I dunno. I don't really care what kind of action it is, I'll take whatever is cheapest to make.
Alfa Proj carbines are handguns in Canada. The carbines and handguns use the same frame, it's just a long barrel and a fancy grip.
Same with Rossi.
And there is a damn good reason Revolver rifles didn't last the test of time... if a 9mm revolver rifle hit the market for a reasonable price I'd totally get one absent a better option, but man I'd really prefer something that doesn't spit hot gases at my support arm every shot...
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I dreamed of a revolving rifle for a year. When I finally shot one and got a face full of gas I was super disappointed.
