Almost nothing left in a 9mm Rifle

Fair enough. I would think that is a pretty small market in 9mm, though. I would think most of the more traditionalist guys would just buy a lever action in .38 special/.357 mag and reload for it. Who knows, though? More guns = better, so I'm good with it either way.
I think there is a big market for guns that shoot affordable ammo. Reloading is super common if you only talk guns on CGN, but it's not that common in the real world - at least that's been my personal experience.

9mm PCCs were very popular until they got banned. Some of those people were buying them for competing, but plenty were buying them just for fun. I don't think all of those people will be attracted to a manual action 9mm, but I think a lot will if the price can be made low enough.
 
Marlin Camp Carbine !
Only exists as custom private modifications in the nonrestricted category. Everything else is a range toy only

it along with only 2 other rifles, one of which is 3d printed, are remaining in the restricted 9mm category. The camp carbine and the FO 713 Mauser carbine, both of which were discontinued around 40 years ago.
 
9mm PCCs were very popular until they got banned. Some of those people were buying them for competing, but plenty were buying them just for fun. I don't think all of those people will be attracted to a manual action 9mm, but I think a lot will if the price can be made low enough.
I think most of that appeal was a cheap to shoot semi-auto/black rifle that wasn't banned in 2020. I would expect a pretty big chunk of those buyers aren't much interested in a manual action PCC, though.

I think a well done pump action PCC could be a decent option for fast(er) shooting games, but I have no idea how many could be sold. The low price part is always an issue with low volume production, it just costs $$ to do a quality job on small batches of anything and trying to get investment money for a gun project is very difficult under the current laws and government.


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I think most of that appeal was a cheap to shoot semi-auto/black rifle that wasn't banned in 2020. I would expect a pretty big chunk of those buyers aren't much interested in a manual action PCC, though.

I think a well done pump action PCC could be a decent option for fast(er) shooting games, but I have no idea how many could be sold. The low price part is always an issue with low volume production, it just costs $$ to do a quality job on small batches of anything and trying to get investment money for a gun project is very difficult under the current laws and government.


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I dunno. Ruger PCC was pre-ban and they sold great even before the OiC.

I think some people will be disinterested because it's not a semi, but I also think a lot of people will be happy to have a long gun in 9mm if it can be made affordable enough. Part of me wants one just to say Fk You, I'm not giving up! to the Liberals.

I agree that pump would likely be the best option from a mass appeal perspective, with some practice you can run a pump pretty damn fast.
 
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Its crazy how the TC73 lever exists in 9mm, and is cheaper than many of their other calibers. Sort of disproves literally everything the very smart engineers in this thread are saying.

The fact a gun that costs $3k exists hardly means anything to those of us who can't afford such a price tag.

The fact its so expensive reinforces their point if anything - nobody is saying it CANT be done at all, they are questioning whether it can be done at a price that is low enough.

And is it cheaper? Or are you looking at fancy models with case hardening or other features that increase the price to make that determination?
 
Its crazy how the TC73 lever exists in 9mm, and is cheaper than many of their other calibers. Sort of disproves literally everything the very smart engineers in this thread are saying.
The 3k rifle? When the comparable option in a “traditional” caliber is less than half that?

The more expensive options you see are special editions with higher level finishes, and full caliber rifles, which obviously use more materials…

And no other company makes a tubeded 9mm for a reason.

Taylors attempt is actually whats helping to prove the issue.


Likewise, the tombstone is a jamfactory, even from a box mag. Tube mag fed is more difficult by having to move in multiple directions to direct the cartridge into the feed path
 
The fact a gun that costs $3k exists hardly means anything to those of us who can't afford such a price tag.

The fact its so expensive reinforces their point if anything - nobody is saying it CANT be done at all, they are questioning whether it can be done at a price that is low enough.

And is it cheaper? Or are you looking at fancy models with case hardening or other features that increase the price to make that determination?
It is the same price or cheaper than similar models they sell. That is literal proof that the cartridge itself didnt magically make the rifle cost what it does. Its so tiresome.
 
The 3k rifle? When the comparable option in a “traditional” caliber is less than half that?

The more expensive options you see are special editions with higher level finishes, and full caliber rifles, which obviously use more materials…

And no other company makes a tubeded 9mm for a reason.

Taylors attempt is actually whats helping to prove the issue.


Likewise, the tombstone is a jamfactory, even from a box mag. Tube mag fed is more difficult by having to move in multiple directions to direct the cartridge into the feed path
You dont get to compare a premium rifle manufacturer to your Brazilian or turkish rifle that is cheaper to prove a point, thats called being disingenuous. When comparing the tc73 to other tc73 rifles they actually make in different calibers it is at minimum similarly priced (1999 usd vs 2150 for the 357) This proves making the rifle 9mm didnt magically incur some ridiculous cost. Yes its the only one, at some point there is a first of anything, all this proves is there was lack of demand until now, nothing else. The fact they cant keep the 9mm tc73 in stock even with the premium price tag of the company means people will start to copy it.
 
Uh so you compared the base 357 to the tuned 9mm? In what world does that make sense. The tuned 357 is 150 dollars MORE than the 9mm. Thats apples to apples proof that the 9mm chambering does NOT make it more expensive to produce. It literally cannot be explained more simply than this
 
Uh so you compared the base 357 to the tuned 9mm? In what world does that make sense. The tuned 357 is 150 dollars MORE than the 9mm. Thats apples to apples proof that the 9mm chambering does NOT make it more expensive to produce. It literally cannot be explained more simply than this

I compared the cheapest options I saw for each caliber. Not my problem that they ONLY offer the 9mm in a fancy version - although it does suggest to me that the 9mm might not be profitable enough at the lower price point of the basic models...


Also you're talking niche manufacturer of fancy guns. That's not an apples to apples comparison of what we're talking about. Show me a $900 Turkish lever action in 9mm and then we're talking the same language. Until then, I don't give a #### about Taylor prices because they're outside the scope of a discussion on "affordable 9mm guns".
 
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You're telling me the blue paint on a shelby cobra is what makes it cost more than a red entry level mustang lol.

I'm the one going ad homimem, but you're the one who claimed comparing two guns made by the same company is logically the same as comparing a 9mm lever to a single shot 22 made by different companies in different countries?...

It's not an ad homimem when you're demonstrating a poor understanding of logic, it's pointing out a fact.

To use your car analogy, you're suggesting we compare a Shelby with a Lada, and that comparison is the logical conclusion of comparing two mustangs of different trim.
 
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I'm the one going ad homimem, but you're the one who claimed comparing two guns made by the same company is logically the same as comparing a 9mm lever to a single shot 22 made by different companies in different countries?...

It's not an ad homimem when you're demonstrating a poor understanding of logic, it's pointing out a fact.
Yes because ad hominem means attacking a person rather than their point. I was attacking your point, ie comparing a base model firearm to a tuned version with a longer barrel, you were attacking me "so you dont know what logic is?". That's what the word means. I've made my point, the tc73 in 9mm is cheaper than comparable tc73s in 357, debunking the notion that changing the caliber of a rifle to 9mm is so difficult it would result in large price increases.
 
Yes because ad hominem means attacking a person rather than their point.
And by taking massive nonsensical leaps and calling it "the conclusion of my logic" you are attacking me, not my point.

I'm pointing out that your argument - that my logic draws that conclusion when played out - makes no sense, which demonstrates a poor understanding of logic in general.
 
And by taking massive nonsensical leaps and calling it "the conclusion of my logic" you are attacking me, not my point.
I'm sorry to have caused you any emotional trauma. Semantics aside my point regarding the actual topic at hand remains true. The tc73 in 9mm is cheaper than the tc73 in 357 with the same barrel length. Yes the shorter base model is cheaper, as are various rossi or canuck offerings.
 
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