The SIG Sauer P320 Has Never Been Good

ffolkes said:
Yeah, the US Justice department, a place well known for its "folklore". You really are weird, man. And its 112 of them democreep departments now.
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you didn't get that from the "official" US justice department, that's for sure, and again, you're quoting the most UNDERTRAINED groups, most of these people will NEVER pull their pistol from their holster for their entire career in law enforcement, other than the odd yearly mandated testing,if that.
 
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Bartok5 said:
Right. My POINT being that very, very few of us recreational shooters on CGN have ever"duty carried" a P320. So the entire "conversation" is rather academic, no? Near as I can determine, the P320 was designed for safe recreational shooting just as much as it was for "stressful combat situations". Handled properly in the former context, the P320 has performed just as "safely" as any other pistol in my stable....

I am not saying that the P320 is entirely without issue. The ability of the internals to move during rough handling is problematic and needs to be addressed. But handled properly (eg. safely) during recreational shooting there is nothing whatsoever to be concerned about. This business of people with P320s being afraid to use them for recreational shooting is ludicrous, and a complete over-reaction to the occasional problem associated with rough handling while loaded.
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This doesn't take into account for a lot of people using the P320 in IPSC, where they do in fact holster on a loaded chamber.
 
From a psych perspective I just find it interesting that some have this need to defend massive corporations as though they are the latest adult you are aligned with. Now arguing with your new daddy makes me a bad person or something.

You still see this defense mechanism with people defending decades of Remington and their shotgun triggers, pharmaceutical companies after drug recalls and certain car manufacturers decades after famous events that got many people killed but are still forming a part of your persona and outward affectations to the world.
 
ffolkes said:
From a psych perspective I just find it interesting that some have this need to defend massive corporations as though they are the latest adult you are aligned with. Now arguing with your new daddy makes me a bad person or something.

You still see this defense mechanism with people defending decades of Remington and their shotgun triggers, pharmaceutical companies after drug recalls and certain car manufacturers decades after famous events that got many people killed but are still forming a part of your persona and outward affectations to the world.
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too funny,,you sound like a true professional conspiracy type,have you debunked the moon landings yet,
 
Here Wyoming Gun Project does some new drop tests with their modified 320.

The rear projection of the new style sear is removed so the simultaneous sympathetic movement of the sear and the trigger is prevented, also the spring itself is changed to one that adds +10% more force in the forward direction, towards the muzzle. This acts in opposition when the gun lands on its rear end or is whacked by the mallet. Its not clear yet if it is the sear mod itself, or whether it is reducing the sear weight by so much by having done this mod to it, that is actually having the effect.

 
This weeks updates

Cirrus California PD p320 discharge in the holster:
https://fox40.com/news/local-news/s...gun-goes-off-at-a-northern-california-campus/

This guy's crotch can also be added to the list of p320 "unanticipated lead surplus" recipients

From a new report regarding the sights and optical plates flying off the gun "3 of the m17s where the sights fell off during firing, the screws were found to have no threads on them..."
 

Federal judge issues key ruling against gun maker Sig Sauer in widow's lawsuit​


Lawsuit claims company's P320 pistol discharged while holstered due to faulty components​

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The firm says it represents "more than 100 P320 victims injured by Sig Sauer’s first striker-fired (in contrast to a traditional hammer) pistol" and alleges that "Sig Sauer is the only gunmaker to make a mass-produced sidearm that lacks an external safety to guard against unintended discharges."

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy...ng-against-gun-maker-sig-sauer-widows-lawsuit
 
Why would any sane owner/user be jamming a punch into the rear of the slide?!! Unless you are stripping for maintenance/repair, there is almost absolutely no reason to interfere with the striker group in the slide.
 
Army’s Sig P320 Derived Pistols Will Remain Unchanged After Concerning FBI Report (TWZ)

Army’s Sig P320 Derived Pistols Will Remain Unchanged After Concerning FBI Report
ICE is the latest agency to drop the P320 amid uncommanded discharge concerns while Sig says it participated with the FBI in follow-up tests.
Joseph Trevithick, Howard Altman Jul 17, 2025 1:56 PM EDT

The U.S. Army is not taking any actions regarding its Sig Sauer M17 and M18 pistols based on the findings of a recently disclosed FBI report that has raised new concerns about the design’s ability to fire without the trigger being pulled. Sig has also refuted the results of the FBI’s initial evaluation, which it says the bureau was subsequently unable to reproduce using a mutually agreed-upon testing protocol. The new details from the FBI’s report have already sent a shockwave through the civilian firearms community in the United States, where confidence in P320-series pistols, a family that includes the M17 and M18, is already severely strained.

In August 2024, the Michigan State Police (MSP) requested that the FBI’s Ballistic Research Facility (BRF) evaluate a commercially-sourced version of the M18 pistol that had been involved in an apparent “uncommanded discharge” the month before. The BRF conducted a technical evaluation and produced a report, dated Aug. 30, 2024. The MSP released the report with minor redactions last week in response to a public records request, and a full copy can be found here. The BRF is currently collocated with the U.S. Army’s Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, Alabama, and is responsible for research, development, testing, and evaluation of small arms, ammunition, and body armor for the bureau, as well as domestic and international partners.
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I mean, at this point the CF's C19 stock debacle doesn't look so bad in comparison.
 
SilentKnight said:
My brother has done drop testing on his P320 and we have hit it with a rubber mallet repeatedly in various ways, prior to running it on the range and it has never had a single issue in use or in the holster. It's been a great gun, I was shooting drills with it last weekend and it handled great.
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Not to take away from your brother experience. Drop tests even done at the lab is pretty simple and it is still a sampling - yes, there are ways to calculate sample size to hit "confidence level" required in statistically sampling methodology. Even calculated "confidence level" leave room for the "non confidence". So drop testing one's own gun randomly without calculating sample size is psychological and if that makes one feel confident - great, but mostly it is just a repetition of works done by others already.

There are literally unlimited number of scenarios - one can say that there are millions of a particular model out there so there will be stories. This is absolutely factual.

But what it matters it is the number of these stories related to the entire population, and most importantly how it is compared to similar ratio of other brands. Unless there is a statistic "middle" of out there composed of the populations of other brands, we can't say which one is better or worse objectively. And finding this "middle" itself is a huge challenge. The cost and effort of doing so is not realistic.

Because we do not have all these information, this is all boiling down to personal belief and perception.

The punchline is : don't point a loaded gun to oneself or anyone else as much as one can avoid.
 
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