The BEST Straight-Pull Rifle in Canada - Maple Ridge Armoury

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I went to the lcbo today (province owned liquor store in Ontario) and they gave me 2 baby blue lion/giraffe stickers ā€œfor the kidsā€. I asked for a third one in case I ever buy this rifle I will stick it on it.
 
G Rank said:
Lockhart Tactical made an Instagram post about offering services to make these semiauto, *legally* they claim, which kind of takes away the point of the Renegade in our current world and market; ruining it for everyone once it's deemed "easily convertible".
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Overall it seems like a bad idea... but I don't think it would "ruin it for everyone". The Renegade is not "easily convertible". People can't do this conversion on their kitchen table at home.

Will it last? Probably not? Will a bunch of people spend a bunch of money and have some fun for a while... yes.

Will the Renegade get banned... I don't think so. It's not their fault other people decided to do this.
 
G Rank said:
Lockhart Tactical made an Instagram post about offering services to make these semiauto, *legally* they claim, which kind of takes away the point of the Renegade in our current world and market; ruining it for everyone once it's deemed "easily convertible".
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Yeah Iā€™m super skeptical. It goes against the FRT. Iā€™m concerned this will kill the renegade.

Iā€™m good with getting mad at Libs. But our own gun makers? Not ready for that level of #### behaviour in this current market.
 
True Shadows said:
Overall it seems like a bad idea... but I don't think it would "ruin it for everyone". The Renegade is not "easily convertible". People can't do this conversion on their kitchen table at home.

Will it last? Probably not? Will a bunch of people spend a bunch of money and have some fun for a while... yes.

Will the Renegade get banned... I don't think so. It's not their fault other people decided to do this.
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Sigh said:
Yeah Iā€™m super skeptical. It goes against the FRT. Iā€™m concerned this will kill the renegade.

Iā€™m good with getting mad at Libs. But our own gun makers? Not ready for that level of #### behaviour in this current market.
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It's hard to say given how reactionary the anti-gun lobby has been since the Liberals have taken control of the government. I'm not a lawyer, but it feels that this would be some sort of legally questionable modification that would fall on the owner/modifier rather than the manufacturer. It's certainly not an easy modification to do, given that you need industrial tools to do it. But it's hard to predict how the anti-gun lobby would react to this.

But I think the more stranger thing is that it's especially suspicious to offer this when Lockhart literally just announced their own AR style straight pull less than a week ago. The MRA Renegade/Maverick are their only competition in Canada with that type of setup, so the fact they're offering this service now? When they could have done so easily before? Knowing how the current government behaves around these type of things?

Makes me narrow my eyes a bit, I'll say that for sure.
 
Numbers75 said:
It's hard to say given how reactionary the anti-gun lobby has been since the Liberals have taken control of the government. I'm not a lawyer, but it feels that this would be some sort of legally questionable modification that would fall on the owner/modifier rather than the manufacturer. It's certainly not an easy modification to do, given that you need industrial tools to do it. But it's hard to predict how the anti-gun lobby would react to this.

But I think the more stranger thing is that it's especially suspicious to offer this when Lockhart literally just announced their own AR style straight pull less than a week ago. The MRA Renegade/Maverick are their only competition in Canada with that type of setup, so the fact they're offering this service now? When they could have done so easily before? Knowing how the current government behaves around these type of things?

Makes me narrow my eyes a bit, I'll say that for sure.
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Interesting thoughts. Could it be sabotage? LOL
 
True Shadows said:
Interesting thoughts. Could it be sabotage? LOL
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My personal opinion is that this is, at a minimum, a very poorly thought out decision and service. Even if their intent isn't malicious, I just think it's a bad look to be advertising how your company can basically alter your competition's products to no longer be in alignment with their legally described form. Even if we assume that they aren't behaving in bad faith, it seems reasonable to me that if anyone does take issue with the Renegade becoming a semi-auto, they would more likely direct their ire at the manufacturer rather than the company modifying the firearms. The fact that Lockhart has actual financial incentive for all these things to occur is just another reason why this type of service feels just slightly scummy.

But of course, that's my opinion and point of view. It might just be that Lockhart really thinks that this is some sort of legal loophole that only functions because of how the Maverick/Renegade are designed, which just doesn't work due to how the Conspiracy straight pull is designed.

But it certainly is a contrived timing for them to offer this service.
 
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G Rank said:
Lockhart Tactical made an Instagram post about offering services to make these semiauto, *legally* they claim, which kind of takes away the point of the Renegade in our current world and market; ruining it for everyone once it's deemed "easily convertible".
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Easily convertible to what? Semi auto as an action type has not been made illegalā€¦so converting a rifle of one legal action type to another legal action type is illegal exactly how?
 
G Rank said:
Lockhart Tactical made an Instagram post about offering services to make these semiauto, *legally* they claim, which kind of takes away the point of the Renegade in our current world and market; ruining it for everyone once it's deemed "easily convertible".
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Thank you for pointing this out to us. We are aware that Lockhart Tactical has been advertising that they can use the MRA Renegade as a basis to machine and manufacture a brand-new firearm through specialized processes, while claiming this results in a semi-auto rifle that is ā€œcompletely legalā€ under the RCMP. These statements are not accurate.

To be clear, this is not a simple ā€œconversionā€ of an existing firearm -- it involves the use of specialized tools and knowledge to alter material in order to manufacture a new firearm altogether. We strongly caution against pursuing this, as doing so could carry serious legal risks. Additionally, any modification to the Renegade of this nature will immediately void its lifetime warranty.

Please rest assured that we are addressing this situation through the proper channels and taking the necessary steps. We appreciate you bringing it to our attention and for your continued support of Maple Ridge Armoury.
 
Sigh said:
Do you folks offer machining instead of going through Lockhart?
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Thank you for pointing this out to us. We are aware that Lockhart Tactical has been advertising that they can use the MRA Renegade as a basis to machine and manufacture a brand-new firearm through specialized processes, while claiming this results in a semi-auto rifle that is ā€œcompletely legalā€ under the RCMP. These statements are not accurate.

To be clear, this is not a simple ā€œconversionā€ of an existing firearm -- it involves the use of specialized tools and knowledge to alter material in order to manufacture a new firearm altogether. We strongly caution against pursuing this, as doing so could carry serious legal risks. Additionally, any modification to the Renegade of this nature will immediately void its lifetime warranty.

Please rest assured that we are addressing this situation through the proper channels and taking the necessary steps. We appreciate you bringing it to our attention and for your continued support of Maple Ridge Armoury.
 
Numbers75 said:
My personal opinion is that this is, at a minimum, a very poorly thought out decision and service. Even if their intent isn't malicious, I just think it's a bad look to be advertising how your company can basically alter your competition's products to no longer be in alignment with their legally described form. Even if we assume that they aren't behaving in bad faith, it seems reasonable to me that if anyone does take issue with the Renegade becoming a semi-auto, they would more likely direct their ire at the manufacturer rather than the company modifying the firearms. The fact that Lockhart has actual financial incentive for all these things to occur is just another reason why this type of service feels just slightly scummy.

But of course, that's my opinion and point of view. It might just be that Lockhart really thinks that this is some sort of legal loophole that only functions because of how the Maverick/Renegade are designed, which just doesn't work due to how the Conspiracy straight pull is designed.

But it certainly is a contrived timing for them to offer this service.
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Our opinion is that this is not just a modification, but legally is considered manufacturing a new firearm. It doesn't matter if the starting position is already a firearm; what is being offered is something sufficiently different, requiring specialist tools and knowledge to qualify as manufacturing a new firearm (without a FRT). The fact that the Renegade can accept magazines that hold more than 5 rounds (Per bill C21) would make any semi-auto version/conversion a prohibited firearm.
 
MuskinessCanine said:
The thing about LHT is that they've extensively oversold back orders for their rifles, which typically took months to receive. And now they posted a machining service that's already sold out and requires a wait list. Something doesn't smell right to me.
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Yeah I don't think it's going to work out for them. I have a feeling they're going to scrap this idea shortly.
 
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