Trap & Skeet Shotgun

It's a bad idea to challenge a dead bird call. If I'm scoring and call it dead, it's dead. Argue the call and my eyesight might not be as keen when it's your turn to shoot. If I call lost and more than one other person on the squad disagrees I will probably mark it dead.
That is a load of bull! You think you can't make a mistake? And if you do make a bad call it should be final? Time for you to read the rule book thoroughly because clearly you missed the section governing score discrepancies and if you are still of the mind after reading the rules you feel your word is god then you need to step away from the scorers stand, put down the score sheet and let someone who will follow the rules be the scorer and you can go back to sandbagging calling "broken"missed targets from behind your gun or on the pad with your cheating squad that calls the shotcup flying past the target a visible piece.
 
That is a load of bull! You think you can't make a mistake? And if you do make a bad call it should be final? Time for you to read the rule book thoroughly because clearly you missed the section governing score discrepancies and if you are still of the mind after reading the rules you feel your word is god then you need to step away from the scorers stand, put down the score sheet and let someone who will follow the rules be the scorer and you can go back to sandbagging calling "broken"missed targets from behind your gun or on the pad with your cheating squad that calls the shotcup flying past the target a visible piece.
You CAN oppose someone’s opinion with tact and respect. Why be rude??? That just makes the other person want yo respond in kind and rather that having an adult discussion where some things might actually be agreed on, it spirals into a childish pissing match. A little respect goes a long way towards mature discussions.
 
Sporting clays make for better hi level trap and skeet shooting?
Not a chance!
Shooting Sporting clays won't make a competitive trap/skeet shooter a better trap/skeet shooter, but it will make that shooter better at any shooting other than trap/skeet. I hunt with the people that I shoot sporting clays with, and since they started shooting sporting clays, they are definitely more competent at shooting waterfowl and upland birds, and the former primarily trap shooters, do much better when they join me for skeet. The more presentations that you shoot, the better overall shooter you become.
 
You CAN oppose someone’s opinion with tact and respect. Why be rude??? That just makes the other person want yo respond in kind and rather that having an adult discussion where some things might actually be agreed on, it spirals into a childish pissing match. A little respect goes a long way towards
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Wow sorry gents did not mean to start a controversy on scoring but have seen more of it lately as the scorekeepers now are pretty much kids and sometimes I think there brain and subsequent eyes are more concerned with Facebook. I call it like I see it and have been rewarded and lost on missed pieces .It is the way nowadays so "endeavour to persevere".(Chief Dan George)
 
That is a load of bull! You think you can't make a mistake? And if you do make a bad call it should be final? Time for you to read the rule book thoroughly because clearly you missed the section governing score discrepancies and if you are still of the mind after reading the rules you feel your word is god then you need to step away from the scorers stand, put down the score sheet and let someone who will follow the rules be the scorer and you can go back to sandbagging calling "broken"missed targets from behind your gun or on the pad with your cheating squad that calls the shotcup flying past the target a visible piece.

Sure I can make a mistake but one of the mistakes I don't make is bending to the loudmouths who want to challenge a call. If I say it's dead, it's dead. If I call lost and there is a consensus that disagrees I will probably change the score. If you don't like how I'm scoring take it up afterwards with shoot management.
 
Yea I am sure that’s what a goose thinks as it flys through spanks decoys unscathed.

Thank god he’s a trap and skeet shooter.
Even trap helps somewhat with wingshooting, but when we hunt waterfowl over decoys, the birds are usually incoming and dropping, just the opposite of trap targets. Skeet adds broadside and incoming targets, and sporting clays adds the fast rising or fast dropping targets, that are common hunting waterfowl and upland birds. The more the discipline replicates the shots that a hunter may encounter in the field, the more it helps to be a better shooter in the field.
 
Sure I can make a mistake but one of the mistakes I don't make is bending to the loudmouths who want to challenge a call. If I say it's dead, it's dead. If I call lost and there is a consensus that disagrees I will probably change the score. If you don't like how I'm scoring take it up afterwards with shoot management.
If you had read my other post you'd have noticed when I said when a discrepancy happens the scorer needs to be notified (in case they aren't aware) that the target in question needs to be noted on the score sheet as disputed for shoot management to review and make a decision. At no point should a score be changed by consensus of the squad and it happens which is where the big problem exists with some squads helping each others scores.
 
If you had read my other post you'd have noticed when I said when a discrepancy happens the scorer needs to be notified (in case they aren't aware) that the target in question needs to be noted on the score sheet as disputed for shoot management to review and make a decision. At no point should a score be changed by consensus of the squad and it happens which is where the big problem exists with some squads helping each others scores.

I'm aware of the practice of squad mates "helping." What I'm also aware of is that it's rarely the top shooters who make a fuss. Shoot your targets, move along and we'll sort it out later. Arguing with a scorer on the course rarely works out well for a competitor.
 
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Even trap helps somewhat with wingshooting, but when we hunt waterfowl over decoys, the birds are usually incoming and dropping, just the opposite of trap targets. Skeet adds broadside and incoming targets, and sporting clays adds the fast rising or fast dropping targets, that are common hunting waterfowl and upland birds. The more the discipline replicates the shots that a hunter may encounter in the field, the more it helps to be a better shooter in the field.

Honestly I’d be impressed if these trap shooters you know so well even have a ATA number.
 
Honestly I’d be impressed if these trap shooters you know so well even have a ATA number.
What does that have to do with anything? Whether a competitive shooter or just recreational shooter, practising different presentations will help a shooter deal with different presentations that they may experience in the field or shooting a different discipline. Doing all of your shooting at targets going at one speed, and one trajectory, is never going to prepare a person for field conditions, like practising a large variety of trajectories, directions, and target speeds will.
 
What does that have to do with anything? Whether a competitive shooter or just recreational shooter, practising different presentations will help a shooter deal with different presentations that they may experience in the field or shooting a different discipline. Doing all of your shooting at targets going at one speed, and one trajectory, is never going to prepare a person for field conditions, like practising a large variety of trajectories, directions, and target speeds will.
Figured they didn’t your as good as the company you keep.

Is this why you talk so poorly of everyone around you?
 
Are you suggesting that whether or not a person has an ATA number, determines their overall ability as a wingshooter?


Do I think shooting registered targets of any kind or regularly attending so called fun sporting clays shoots that have winners and classes make you a better field shot, or shoot better then someone who doesn’t go to shoots.

Yes
 
Do I think shooting registered targets of any kind or regularly attending so called fun sporting clays shoots that have winners and classes make you a better field shot, or shoot better then someone who doesn’t go to shoots.

Yes
Does it make you a better field shooter if the targets are registered ? How does targets being registered change anything? I have shot registered NSSA targets, and I shot in provincials, and I learned more about reading targets by shooting unregistered targets in our sporting clays league. Birds don't always fly the same speed and trajectory, so the more speeds and trajectories you practice, the better equipped that you are to shoot birds in the field.
 
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