Proposed legislation change: Prohibit the use of lead shot for the purpose of all hunting in British Columbia

Evanguy said:
I wonder how the black powder shotguns are going to deal with steel shot, and I can't imagine the cost of steel shot 2.5" 410
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$80.00 per box of 25 rounds at Canadian Tire in Invermere......:( (410 Bismuth Ammo) That's before 12% tax on top.

Or $55.99 USD at Midway USA. That's over $80.00 per box before taxes and duty. So lets call it approximately $110.00 CDN per box.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021031230?pid=713107

So much for the ten cents per round more expensive.

Gee, imagine all the bullsh!t and lies in this bogus report!......:(
 
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My feedback- There is simply not the concentration of lead shot in upland or small game hunting areas that this is actually a concern. Unlike waterfowl, upland hunting is conducted over a much larger area. Nobody builds a blind and uses the same location for decades when they go grouse hunting. Also, there is virtually no availability of non lead buckshot for larger game like deer and bear. This proposed regulation would have zero effect.
 
My feedback- There is simply not the concentration of lead shot in upland or small game hunting areas that this is actually a concern. Unlike waterfowl, upland hunting is conducted over a much larger area. Nobody builds a blind and uses the same location for decades when they go grouse hunting. Also, there is virtually no availability of non lead buckshot for larger game like deer and bear. This proposed regulation would have zero effect.
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I believe a consideration is the gut pile from game animals and the many thousands of grouse that are “pulled” in the field with the resultant carcass devoured by a variety of wildlife.

An “attractive nuisance” so to speak.

Unlike shot, which is gather incidentally when waterfowl pick up seeds and grit, the remains of small game and the guy piles of larger game are attractive to wildlife.
 
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The drilling and combination guns I like to use are not made for steel shot and Im not buying 5 dollar shells to shoot grouse and rabbits.
There is an easy solution to this one for me, I break the law. Maybe purchase a few bismuth for my pocket to pretend to be a law abiding citizen?
 
Gatehouse said:
My feedback- There is simply not the concentration of lead shot in upland or small game hunting areas that this is actually a concern. Unlike waterfowl, upland hunting is conducted over a much larger area. Nobody builds a blind and uses the same location for decades when they go grouse hunting. Also, there is virtually no availability of non lead buckshot for larger game like deer and bear. This proposed regulation would have zero effect.
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Thank you Gatehouse, at least you get it!.....:)

However the fools who do not understand your facts, which are 100% true want to cave into the lies that the Liberals and NDP idiots are spewing.

And the "if it doesn't affect me attitude", why wouldn't I support this, is absolutely appalling.....:(

Firearms and all hunting will eventually be banned if there is no push-back.....:(

I'm shocked that people do not understand this concept of deception!.......:(
 
Beeron said:
My feedback- There is simply not the concentration of lead shot in upland or small game hunting areas that this is actually a concern. Unlike waterfowl, upland hunting is conducted over a much larger area. Nobody builds a blind and uses the same location for decades when they go grouse hunting. Also, there is virtually no availability of non lead buckshot for larger game like deer and bear. This proposed regulation would have zero effect.
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I believe a consideration is the gut pile from game animals and the many thousands of grouse that are “pulled” in the field with the resultant carcass devoured by a variety of wildlife.

An “attractive nuisance” so to speak.

Unlike shot, which is gather incidentally when waterfowl pick up seeds and grit, the remains of small game and the guy piles of larger game are attractive to wildlife.
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A coyote isn't going to be harmed by ingesting a few pellets a year. Probably poop them out in short order.
 
FLHTCUI said:
You know if it is up for discussion the legislation is already in the works, just awaiting the ink to dry on said legislation.
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Defeatist Attitude.

FYI: Over the course of the last few occurrences of these proposed changes, we collectively have turned a decent handful of them around.

If you actually lived here, I would encourage you to tell them exactly what you think of their bull####.

Since you don't, please keep your defeatist attitude to yourself.

Thanks.
 
Thunderhog said:
Well said. The dopers, hippies, and draft dodgers from the Island do not speak for real hunters and sportsman of BC.

The Island is a cesspool of the WOKE crowd, definitely the California of BC.
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Bull####.
Victoria and Nanaimo fit your whine.
The balance of the Island does not.
I live here, and the vast majority of the folks I know are diametrically opposite to what you suggest.
 
IronNoggin said:
Bull####.
Victoria and Nanaimo fit your whine.
The balance of the Island does not.
I live here, and the vast majority of the folks I know are diametrically opposite to what you suggest.
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I stand corrected.....:)

Victoria and Nanaimo fit my statement perfectly.

I am certain there are great people on the Island as well.

I was stereotyping because of the fools that support this bull-sh!t proposed ban here on Gunnutz!
 
Gatehouse said:
My feedback- There is simply not the concentration of lead shot in upland or small game hunting areas that this is actually a concern. Unlike waterfowl, upland hunting is conducted over a much larger area. Nobody builds a blind and uses the same location for decades when they go grouse hunting. Also, there is virtually no availability of non lead buckshot for larger game like deer and bear. This proposed regulation would have zero effect.
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I’m not going to argue the lead thing, but there are non toxic options.

A buddy of mine uses Dead Coyote 00 buck for deer and he levels them out to 50 yards with the tight pattern and heavy pellets. It’s very impressive how good that stuff shoots and hits hard compared to lead. I’ve heard of solid copper 00 buck as well, but haven’t seen/looked for it. Remington copper solid slugs are, coincidentally, the second best grouping slugs I use in my Savage 220 and 870.



As for small game, I’ve almost completely switched to all steel simply because it was a PITA as we regularly encounter mourning doves while out for grouse, squirrel and early season rabbit. These seasons overlap (until late December when it’s rabbit only) so we cannot have lead shot in possession while hunting doves.

I’ve seen practically zero difference in how much small game meat we bring home after switching to steel.




Don’t get the wrong idea that I support non toxic only. I’m just sharing real world experience because some believe mandating non toxic shot spells the end of hunting, which is a fallacy 👍
 
Hollow Point said:
22 lr and 22 wmr are he only calibers i hunt with that i still shoot lead out of. switching is not that big of a deal.
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Yeah, and how long do you think the anti-gun amti-hunting knuckle-heads will let you keep lead in your .22's for???
I can't believe how.long it takes for people to play "catch up" with the anti-gun lobby tactics... they just chip away at weak spots, whittling it all down until it's your puppy they are kicking... and THEN people wake up.
 
Yes, lead is prohibited over water because water fowl will take it up in their crops and die from lead poisoning but there's no such reason to ban it over land. Except that is to end all upland hunting and recreational shooting. Mind you, lead is banned in the 'condor zone' that is California, hunters seem to get by... but only until they don't, no doubt.
 
canadian hunter312 said:
I’m not going to argue the lead thing, but there are non toxic options.

A buddy of mine uses Dead Coyote 00 buck for deer and he levels them out to 50 yards with the tight pattern and heavy pellets. It’s very impressive how good that stuff shoots and hits hard compared to lead. I’ve heard of solid copper 00 buck as well, but haven’t seen/looked for it. Remington copper solid slugs are, coincidentally, the second best grouping slugs I use in my Savage 220 and 870.



As for small game, I’ve almost completely switched to all steel simply because it was a PITA as we regularly encounter mourning doves while out for grouse, squirrel and early season rabbit. These seasons overlap (until late December when it’s rabbit only) so we cannot have lead shot in possession while hunting doves.

I’ve seen practically zero difference in how much small game meat we bring home after switching to steel.




Don’t get the wrong idea that I support non toxic only. I’m just sharing real world experience because some believe mandating non toxic shot spells the end of hunting, which is a fallacy 👍
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Although I'm aware of it and have seen it on the internet, I've never actually seen or used dead coyote buckshot but I'll take your word for it.

Yes, sure you can hunt grouse with steel shot.

The real problem with this proposed regulation is why? What will it actually accomplish? if it won't have a pronounced positive effect, why do it? It's the same as gun laws, really. Don't accomplish anything but looks good.
 
This is worded that all game animals will be shot with monolithic bullets. This is not just birds.
I stand corrected it is just for shotguns. Bet the FN don't have to abide by that rule.
 
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