Making a non restricted shotgun restricted ?

fightinghamster said:
How hard is it to register a non restricted shotgun as restricted? I keep seeing those super short shotguns on tactical imports and have the overwhelming desire to hack the stock off one and register it as restricted, how does one even go about doing that?
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In RCMP individual web services there's an option to 'register restricted firearms', but you'll need a verifier...

You can try simply calling the CFP and they may verify over the phone.

If not pm me, I'm a verifier.

Now... Hacking the stock off will accomplish what exactly that will make it restricted? Are you counting on the "any other modification" that gets it under 26" oal? It might not...

If there's not a matching entry in the FRT the lab will have to add one which may take a good while.
 
KotKotofeich said:
In RCMP individual web services there's an option to 'register restricted firearms', but you'll need a verifier...

You can try simply calling the CFP and they may verify over the phone.

If not pm me, I'm a verifier.

Now... Hacking the stock off will accomplish what exactly that will make it restricted? Are you counting on the "any other modification" that gets it under 26" oal? It might not...

If there's not a matching entry in the FRT the lab will have to add one which may take a good while.
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I had to verify a rem 870 shotgun with a 14 inch barrel years back and did it at the local RCMP station.
The lady that took the gun didn't know how to release the action and had to get a man to come and show her how to run an 870.

Then she went to the back somewhere and I waited and waited after about 40 minutes I inquired and someone got her and she explained to me that she was almost done but had to create a new FRT and that was taking some time. I thought it was a bit strange and should have asked her why she needed an new FRT for a 14" Rem 870 but I didn't say anything and 5 minutes later she handed me my gun and I left. When I got home I looked a little closer and converted the metric number she had put down for the barrel length and it came out to a strange number closer to 17 inches... took me a second and then I realized she had measured the barrel with a rod down the barrel and the action open! Drove back and pointed out the errors of her way and she did not apologize but went in the back and came out 5 minutes later with it registered (long gun registry) with the correct barrel length and pre existing FRT.
 
fightinghamster said:
How hard is it to register a non restricted shotgun as restricted? I keep seeing those super short shotguns on tactical imports and have the overwhelming desire to hack the stock off one and register it as restricted, how does one even go about doing that?
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Cutting the stock off to a pistol grip may render it a prohib. They might require you to fit a new pistol grip before registration as a restricted, and as KotKotofeich says, swapping to a pistol grip may not be considered modified by 'or otherwise' to get it to restricted status.


Restricted:

restricted firearm means
  • (c) a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise, or


Prohibited:

prohibited firearm means
  • (b) a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
    • (i) is less than 660 mm in length, or
    • (ii) is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,


Mark
 
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Some good information as well as a bunch of people calling me a dumb a** which is more or less what I expected, the biggest reason I was interested is because I think there neat, I already own a bunch of restricted handguns but missed out on the restricted rifles I wanted, I’m also on a quest to have all my wife’s favourite guns from red dead redemption 2 and the short double barrel with exposed hammers that tactical imports had would fit the sawn off role perfectly, it was my understanding that you can’t legally cut a barrel down below 18.5 inches and if you want shorter it needs to be newly manufactured, so I figured starting with the 9 inch double barrel and cutting the stock to a pistol grip would give me the size and look I wanted, there’s definitely an frt for the non restricted versions as they have to be imported from turkey or china, I’m not sure if I could convince tactical imports, or someone else to make a pistol grip for those guns and it seems like I won’t be able to just saw it off after it’s re registered
 
fightinghamster said:
Some good information as well as a bunch of people calling me a dumb a** which is more or less what I expected, the biggest reason I was interested is because I think there neat, I already own a bunch of restricted handguns but missed out on the restricted rifles I wanted, I’m also on a quest to have all my wife’s favourite guns from red dead redemption 2 and the short double barrel with exposed hammers that tactical imports had would fit the sawn off role perfectly, it was my understanding that you can’t legally cut a barrel down below 18.5 inches and if you want shorter it needs to be newly manufactured, so I figured starting with the 9 inch double barrel and cutting the stock to a pistol grip would give me the size and look I wanted, there’s definitely an frt for the non restricted versions as they have to be imported from turkey or china, I’m not sure if I could convince tactical imports, or someone else to make a pistol grip for those guns and it seems like I won’t be able to just saw it off after it’s re registered
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"Ce que femme veut, Dieu le veut" (c) So no judgement from me :)

I think I see - you want to take a shorty shotgun like the Norinco above and switch to a pistol grip. Which you think will make it restricted by being under the OAL requirement. That might make it a handgun and you can't register handguns any more. You won't know until you try.

Use Remington 870 as the example. It's FRT entry specifically addresses switching to a pistol grip (see FRN 29018)

"this firearm is normally Non-Restricted unless affected by the following conditions:1) by combining a barrel from a licensed firearms manufacture that is less than 406mm (16.0") in length and a receiver/frame fitted with a pistol grip only, this firearm may be deemed a "handgun" and therefore "RESTRICTED" under the definition of "restricted firearm" in Part III/Firearms and Other Weapons of Section 84 (1) (a) of the Criminal Code of Canada.

"handgun" means a firearm that is designed, altered or intended to be aimed and fired by the action of one hand, whether or not it has been redesigned or subsequently altered to be aimed and fired by the action of both hands.2) "a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise" and therefore "Restricted" under the definition of "restricted firearm" in Part III/Firearms and Other Weapons of Section 84 (1) (c) of the Criminal Code of Canada.3) by combining a barrel that has been altered to less than 457mm (18.0") in length by a non-licensed firearms manufacturer (cottage industry, individual or gunsmith) regardless of whether the shotgun has a pistol grip or conventional stock, this firearm is "PROHIBITED" and subject to the definition of a "prohibited firearm" in PartIII/Firearms and Other Weapons of Section 84 of the Criminal Code of Canada.
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You can try cutting the stock in a way that it has a stub of a stock like the ones from TI have, but it won't have the look I think you are looking for...

Look for a Dominion Arms Raider (FRN 183824) - by some fluke they were registered as restricted shotguns even with a pistol grip. Might be pricy now because of rarity... Since then others have tried bringing them in and they were registered as handguns. (That's why TI's guns have that stock stub as a workaround)

Or you can take an existing shotgun, have someone make you a pistol grip (I have a spare stock for a JW 2000 if you need) and try to register like that - see what the lab says. If they insist it's a handgun then revert back?

You can also try to find an antique Belgian or British made howdah (or start with an antique shotgun) though you won't be able to have it in 12ga - either 14ga or 24 ga (i.e. not exempted from antique) but they are super rare and pricy...
 
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Can-down said:
I had to verify a rem 870 shotgun with a 14 inch barrel years back and did it at the local RCMP station.
The lady that took the gun didn't know how to release the action and had to get a man to come and show her how to run an 870.

Then she went to the back somewhere and I waited and waited after about 40 minutes I inquired and someone got her and she explained to me that she was almost done but had to create a new FRT and that was taking some time. I thought it was a bit strange and should have asked her why she needed an new FRT for a 14" Rem 870 but I didn't say anything and 5 minutes later she handed me my gun and I left. When I got home I looked a little closer and converted the metric number she had put down for the barrel length and it came out to a strange number closer to 17 inches... took me a second and then I realized she had measured the barrel with a rod down the barrel and the action open! Drove back and pointed out the errors of her way and she did not apologize but went in the back and came out 5 minutes later with it registered (long gun registry) with the correct barrel length and pre existing FRT.
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When i was working as an Auxiliary RCMP Constable, one of our new constables blew a hole through the exhibits room wall with a confiscated 870 (same gun we all took the shotgun course with) ............
 
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