Crusader arms backland

Max Owner said:
Really a long shot, but could the pins that hold the trigger group in; could be drilled “out of spec”?

Or try another trigger group in the rifle?

On Edit; is it a proprietary trigger group on these?
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Owners have been experiencing the trigger group assembly pin loosening.


Here is the solution

https://truenortharms.com/golden-pin-crusader-backlands-antiwalk-pin-prototype/


Any owners change out the charging handle yet & noticed a difference(smoother operation)?

I have seen some wear(rubbing)present on the OEM ones.
 
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Gatehouse said:
I am not even sure how to get to the recoil spring. I assume it's via the big nut that holds on the pistol grip but getting at that nut seems challenging in itself. The pistol grip is slightly loose but I don't think that effects the function.
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Perhaps these videos can help.


 
I wonder if the bolt sticking, and not going into battery, is a result of the recoil spring/ rat tail design.

It seems to me that this recoil spring design will put upward pressure on the back of the bolt, possibly causing the front to dive down and drag on the hammer.

Just a thought without seeing one.
 
JeffMan said:
I wonder if the bolt sticking, and not going into battery, is a result of the recoil spring/ rat tail design.

It seems to me that this recoil spring design will put upward pressure on the back of the bolt, possibly causing the front to dive down and drag on the hammer.

Just a thought without seeing one.
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This was my thinking. The bolt carrier was originally for a strait linear action, it is now working with thrust coming at an angle instead of linear and the carrier is half of it's designed length which could make this nonlinear thrust worse making the carrier want to nose dive.
 
Just a quick post from the range.

Things went waaaay better. Hardly any problems. 250 rounds fired.

Despite all my speculation, tears, hand wringing and self loathing… I think the thing really just needed to “break in” I finished up with 40 rounds mag dumped. Will follow up with observations later tonight.
 
JeffMan said:
I wonder if the bolt sticking, and not going into battery, is a result of the recoil spring/ rat tail design.

It seems to me that this recoil spring design will put upward pressure on the back of the bolt, possibly causing the front to dive down and drag on the hammer.

Just a thought without seeing one.
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appearently these things have been addressed and they have changed the spring and rat tail.
 
Okay, the range went good, as I had hoped when I did the final backyard shoot yesterday.

Magazines-

Here's what I feel I can safely say- tight mags don't work well. Some of the plastic ones can get a bit bulged and this can hamper the action from working. I don't think that's the firearms fault. To address this I'm going to file and down and polish the 3 magwell protrusions a bit more. They are almost-but not quite- flush with the main part of the magwell.

IMI mags are pretty slim and they worked best. RRA metal mags, older MFT mags worked good too. Newer MFT mags bullged a bit and I think it's just due to the new springs bunching the cartridges up more. Cross mags were okay. The factory mags were ok.

Ammo-
Use full power handloads or full power factory loads. I use PMC and full power handloads until today. Today I also brought along some mid range handloads that are sorta generic and work in many other firearm platforms but forget about anything but full power in this gun. The mid range were hit and miss. Some would cycle the action properly, some would not. I think the recoil spring is just too beefy to use anything weaker. Using the charging handle you can feel the springs strength, it takes effort, unlike an AR or similar design.

Why was I having problems at first? I suspect it was the recoil spring breaking in and maybe getting settled . Pushing the tail up too much and plunging the bolt face down. I would suggest buyers of this rifle expect to use 50 or more rounds to break it in. You shouldn't have to do this but it is what it is.

Pick magazines that fit easily, shoot the hell out of it and it should be good to go.

If I can find another one for sale I'll buy a second but they all seem sold out right now! :)
 
Gatehouse said:
Okay, the range went good, as I had hoped when I did the final backyard shoot yesterday.

Magazines-

Here's what I feel I can safely say- tight mags don't work well. Some of the plastic ones can get a bit bulged and this can hamper the action from working. I don't think that's the firearms fault. To address this I'm going to file and down and polish the 3 magwell protrusions a bit more. They are almost-but not quite- flush with the main part of the magwell.

IMI mags are pretty slim and they worked best. RRA metal mags, older MFT mags worked good too. Newer MFT mags bullged a bit and I think it's just due to the new springs bunching the cartridges up more. Cross mags were okay. The factory mags were ok.

Ammo-
Use full power handloads or full power factory loads. I use PMC and full power handloads until today. Today I also brought along some mid range handloads that are sorta generic and work in many other firearm platforms but forget about anything but full power in this gun. The mid range were hit and miss. Some would cycle the action properly, some would not. I think the recoil spring is just too beefy to use anything weaker. Using the charging handle you can feel the springs strength, it takes effort, unlike an AR or similar design.

Why was I having problems at first? I suspect it was the recoil spring breaking in and maybe getting settled . Pushing the tail up too much and plunging the bolt face down. I would suggest buyers of this rifle expect to use 50 or more rounds to break it in. You shouldn't have to do this but it is what it is.

Pick magazines that fit easily, shoot the hell out of it and it should be good to go.

If I can find another one for sale I'll buy a second but they all seem sold out right now! :)
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Appreciate the updates. Please keep us updated on how things progress
 
lbron11 said:
They have the elite version out now, and with that version they have updated the recoil spring and bolt carrier moving forward.
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Not sure about that, see post #282 in this thread. Gatehouse just picked up a new Elite version.

It appears they grabbed a recoil spring from a truck shock (sounds like it is crazy stiff, seem to remember him saying that the gun is hard to charge and full power ammo must be used - both are indicative of a heavy spring) and it also looks like the fact the bolt doesn't move straight back and forward is causing alignment / binding issues.

Gatehouse said his has broken in and seems to run ok now but the videos he posted are worth watching.
 
Gatehouse said:
If I can find another one for sale I'll buy a second but they all seem sold out right now! :)
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Most places are indeed sold out.

Looks like very limited quantities (like 1 or 2) in stock at some different vendors that are either CGN sponsors or have sub-forums here - by no means an exhaustive list but this is just a quick cursory search - not sure if this is what you or anyone else is looking for.

Bulleye North: https://www.bullseyenorth.com/shop/...black-186-barrel-5-rounds-nonrestricted-35862

Canfirearm: https://canfirearm.com/shop/firearm...rem-5-56-18-6-barrel-5-rounds-non-restricted/

G4C: https://g4cgunstore.com/product/crusader-backland-hunter-elite-5-56-nato-223rem-18-6-black/

Uxbridge Arms: https://uxbridgearms.com/products/crusader-arms-backland-hunter-223-wylde-black-copy-1
 
Not really related (maybe somewhat), but curiosity question - why is it that Canadian manufacturers can sell their firearms without an FRT whereas anything imported has to have one? Is it some import control restriction? If / when the Backland Hunter gets an FRT, is the public notified or is it incumbent on us to keep checking armalytics hoping for a change?
 
thegazelle said:
Not really related (maybe somewhat), but curiosity question - why is it that Canadian manufacturers can sell their firearms without an FRT whereas anything imported has to have one? Is it some import control restriction? If / when the Backland Hunter gets an FRT, is the public notified or is it incumbent on us to keep checking armalytics hoping for a change?
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As far as I know, that is the way the import law is designed, they must make sure everything coming in to country is approved by the RCMP Firearms Lab before being sold on Canadian shelves, where as they expect domestic manufactures to know the laws in place and design something around those laws. Whether or not it is to be submitted to the Firearms Lab for testing I am not sure but they likely will get a sample for themselves at some point anyways.

However I imagine it is on us as a community to check for updates on the FRT, like every other firearm that was arbitrarily prohibited without anyone knowing until the day it happened. The only way we have found out in the past was through businesses checking the FRT and posting it to all the major forums groups and orgs. The last Turkish bullpup semi shotty was NR until the RCMP took down the FRT one day and put it back up as prohibited the next, no notifications, no reasoning just boom, gone. The FRT itself is not a legal document, so why is it being treated as such is beyond me but we follow it like it is gospel. I can't recall if they did send out notifications for the crypto but I think that got its FRT because someone sent it to the lab to be tested. If I recall it got prohibited after that but no notification was sent out by the RCMP regarding it. That also puts owners of the Crypto in a legal bind because it was not part of the OIC bans and now those who own one are in possession of a prohibited device with no legal amnesty, they turn it in they get arrested on the spot and would have years and hundreds of thousands worth of court costs to endure.. Not many are prepared for that kind of life altering event.
 
thegazelle said:
Not really related (maybe somewhat), but curiosity question - why is it that Canadian manufacturers can sell their firearms without an FRT whereas anything imported has to have one? Is it some import control restriction? If / when the Backland Hunter gets an FRT, is the public notified or is it incumbent on us to keep checking armalytics hoping for a change?
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The old long gun registry was part of a series of interlocking peices.
it was redundant to say "you need a frt" because how else could it be registered? During the long gun days, it HAD to have one...no law required.
When the long gun registry was abolished, there was nothing in the law requiring a FRT.
And to be perfectly honest, it is not needed. Firearm definitions are set out in section 84 of the criminal code. A manufacturer does not, and should not, need to wait long, crippling years to be "approved" when the section 84 law is just a Google search away.

If a manufacturer submits a gun for a FRT entry, past experience shows that they, in fact, are not following sec84cc and calling everything a variant. This is of course conincides with trying to bleed the business out with years of delays. This was done a lot in the old long gun days.
 
Shot 80 rounds today with no problem then CLICK.

I think the firing pin is toast. Anyone know how to remove the firing pin? Removing the retaining pin (like an AR) doesn't release the pin. I guess the pin that holds the rat tail in needs to come out. Which looks like an annoying job. Is the firing pin just an AR pin or is modified ?


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i took the BCG out, removing the rat tail pin wasn't the annoying problem I assumed it to be. A few whacks with a punch. The firing pin appears to be identical to an AR15 firing pin, which is good as I had some in my spare parts collection. The original pin did not seem damaged at all. When I disassembled the BCG a few little chunks of crud came out. Maybe one of them had jammed the pin? But the chunks were quite small so I'm skeptical.

I used the spare AR firing pin I had and reassembled and test fired and the primer hit was good and resulted in a BANG. So I'm more confused than ever. But it works again. I am obviously a glutton for punishment as I ordered a second rifle last week and it's on it's way. :)
 
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just posting from the range. Another 80 rounds with only one “sorta” problem. I wanted to see if the spring had broken in enough to function with some mid level handloads, but no dice. All the factory and full power handloads shot fine. I don’t think the spring is ever going accommodate anything less than full power ammo.

Starting to like this contraption now …😃
 
Gatehouse said:
just posting from the range. Another 80 rounds with only one “sorta” problem. I wanted to see if the spring had broken in enough to function with some mid level handloads, but no dice. All the factory and full power handloads shot fine. I don’t think the spring is ever going accommodate anything less than full power ammo.

Starting to like this contraption now …😃
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What is considered "full power" rounds for this platform? Ty
 
1ABNDT said:
What is considered "full power" rounds for this platform? Ty
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Factory ammo or handloads near the top of the data. For instance the load that failed today was 55gr Campro with 26 gr BLC-2. Bump that up to 27 gr and they worked perfectly. (Hodgdon data says 27.8 max load for 55gr FMJ bullet )

It’s only one grain of powder but it’s a significant difference in a small case like a .223. And there is no question the the shooter can feel the difference in recoil and muzzle blast
 
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