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Id imagine shooting a 5.5 lb 30-284 or 338-284 would be pretty uncomfortableeven for burly men who lug around 10 lb magnums on the intraweb all day. A 7-08 or 284 or 308 doesn't provide any real advantage over a 260, nothing that would be worth putting up with the increase in blast and jump.
Any bets on how long it'll be before a certain someone sells an ultralight 338-06?
I hear ya. My 358 Norma is 8 1/4 pounds all-up. With 225 grainers it's fine to shoot, with 250 grainers it's not nearly as much fun.
As to whether a 284 provides any advantage over a 260...well, maybe. Not knocking the 260, but one pretty consistent theme with guys shooting a lighter gun on the web is that it's "just as good as...". Whether that is true or just helps them justify a certain cartridge I don't know. Something we all fall into is that our personal choice becomes the best (the reason we bought it of course) and everything else has to struggle to measure up. No reasonably healthy guy would ever shoot my 280AI at 6 1/2 pounds, with a 140 grain bullet at close to 3200 fps, and call it a kicker.
Your new 260 may fill this part as well, but the 280AI with 24" barrel is so well balanced it has become my field rifle as well; it's just as easy to shoot at long range away from the bench as any 9 pound rifle I have ever owned. Looking forward to trying out that 260. You might be impressed with my 280AI sheep rifle as well.
Re the 338-06, 4 months.
nope that is the weight for the rifle with scope and rings.
according to the recoil calculator I tried, in 5.75 lb rifles, the 260 vs 284 stack up like this :
260 ~ 130 gr @ 2850 fps over 43 grains powder
18 ft lbs recoil energy
14 fps recoil velocity
284 ~ 150 gr @ 2950 fps over 55 grains powder
29 ft lbs recoil energy
19 fps recoil velocity
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260 Rem 130 gr Accubond @ 2850 fps
+/- 3" PBR of 284 yards (242y zero)
Drop @ 400y = 17"
Energy @ 400y = 1365 ft lbs
Drift @ 400y = 11" (10mph crosswind)
284 Win 150 gr Ballistic Tip @ 2950 fps
+/- 3" PBR of 294 yards (250y zero)
Drop @ 400y = 15"
Energy @ 400y = 1710 ft lbs
Drift @ 400y = 10" (10mph crosswind)
So you do gain a couple inches of trajectory at 1/4 mile, with slightly more retained energy for bigger stuff like elk or moose, but you pay the price with 60% more recoil.
according to the recoil calculator I tried, in 5.75 lb rifles, the 260 vs 284 stack up like this :
260 ~ 130 gr @ 2850 fps over 43 grains powder
18 ft lbs recoil energy
14 fps recoil velocity
284 ~ 150 gr @ 2950 fps over 55 grains powder
29 ft lbs recoil energy
19 fps recoil velocity
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260 Rem 130 gr Accubond @ 2850 fps
+/- 3" PBR of 284 yards (242y zero)
Drop @ 400y = 17"
Energy @ 400y = 1365 ft lbs
Drift @ 400y = 11" (10mph crosswind)
284 Win 150 gr Ballistic Tip @ 2950 fps
+/- 3" PBR of 294 yards (250y zero)
Drop @ 400y = 15"
Energy @ 400y = 1710 ft lbs
Drift @ 400y = 10" (10mph crosswind)
So you do gain a couple inches of trajectory at 1/4 mile, with slightly more retained energy for bigger stuff like elk or moose, but you pay the price with 60% more recoil.
Blah, blah, blah.
Anyone remember the days when todbartell just posted factual information without all the opinion?
Now look at him. First he takes a cheap pot shot at 10lb magnum guns. You know, men's guns. Then he throws some numbers around in a vain attempt at making his pathetic choice of cartridge look good. But in true "gun mag writer" fashion, he doesn't quite make it an honest comparison. He takes a cartridge with more powder, pushing a heavier bullet at a higher velocity and then talks about the increase in recoil. And the ballistics at 1/4 mile, well actually only 400 yards. But 1/4 mile sound better!You know Bartell, you're among friends here on CGN. There's no need to go to all this trouble to justify your choice of cartridges. No one is going to call you sissy or gurly-man because you chose a 260. If that's all the recoil you can handle, there's absolutely nothing to be ashamed of.
And really, none here really thinks magnum bashing is something they would expect from you.BTW, nice gun!I was simply posting the differences between a properly loaded 260 Remington and a 284 Winchester, which RickF had mentioned as to having an edge over the 260 I'm not justifying anything, just helping people understand what is going on 10 pound rifles are perfectly fine, especially if you dont venture too far from the ATV or boat. But a 5.75 lb rifle is nice when you're on foot for half a day.
Dont worry though I have other toys to punish me on those days where I need to put back into line
I'm not justifying anything, just helping people understand what is going on 10 pound rifles are perfectly fine, especially if you dont venture too far from the ATV or boat. But a 5.75 lb rifle is nice when you're on foot for half a day.Dont worry though I have other toys to punish me on those days where I need to put back into line
I can honestly say that the 284 does indeed have a ballistic edge on the 260, as I noted above, but that comes at the expense of 60% more recoil energy. You realize a 7STW has an edge over a 280AI right, even with a 24" barrel?
You gonna lighten up the 8Rem too? Maybe you need another Edge.
No I dont plan on making it lighter, but I will put a McMillan on it, but not an Edge. I dont need that kinda of excitement!
I know it does. In fact, I've owned a couple of STW's. So I can speak from experience here.
I also believe that these all have several thousand more % recoil than the 22LR. Hard to believe we can fire these cannons ans survive to talk about it, huh?
The 260, nor the 284, are kickers. With either, they are pussycats, you hold them to hit without a second thought to the damage they will do to your collarbone. If you have to compare percentile increments in recoil to justify a 260, fine. But the 260 isn't the second coming, it's just a medium sized, moderate hunting round.
I also believe that these all have several thousand more % recoil than the 22LR. Hard to believe we can fire these cannons ans survive to talk about it, huh?
The 260, nor the 284, are kickers. With either, they are pussycats, you hold them to hit without a second thought to the damage they will do to your collarbone. If you have to compare percentile increments in recoil to justify a 260, fine. But the 260 isn't the second coming, it's just a medium sized, moderate hunting round.
If you'd like, I'll pack Tod's 260 Rem or your 280AI up the mountains with me one day on a sheep hunt...only fitting that a "mtn rifle" actually makes it above treeline once in it's life
Sure, rub it in! It has been too long...
Careful when you give the rifles back though, wouldn't want Tod to accidentally shoot my 280AI and be brain damaged from the recoil. Kinda sad really, to think all you can handle is a 260. That leaves a lot of hunting a guy really can't do. Tell you what Ack, you don't spill his secret and I won't either.
Careful when you give the rifles back though, wouldn't want Tod to accidentally shoot my 280AI and be brain damaged from the recoil. Kinda sad really, to think all you can handle is a 260. That leaves a lot of hunting a guy really can't do. Tell you what Ack, you don't spill his secret and I won't either.
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