CDNN HK P7's

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FWIW:

My understanding is that the HK P7 pistol is legal to own in Canada, and just thought some of you might have an interest in those being sold by CDNN now.

Seventeen thousand Lower Saxony Police (Germany) were exported to the U.S. recently, after being graded by HK prior to export and rated according to internal wear.

CDNN has "B" grades for $599.25(US), and "A" grades for 674.25(US).
Extra demo (like/new) magazines are available for $39.99. (The pistol comes with one mag.)

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I've purchased three of these HK P7's (A grades) and while two came "like new" one was unfired. The cardboard boxes were a bit ratty, but two were numbered to the pistols, and the pistols I received were of 1980's manufacture.

Here's the first one that came NEW.
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Here's all three:
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Here's a closeup of a small portion of the slide of the last P7 I bought.
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I believe general consensus is that the HK P7 pistol is one of the best quality 9mm pistols ever made, and for a long time these P7's were hard to come by, and it's thought that after these are sold there won't be any more forthcoming, and the prices should rise back into the $900 range again.

The HK P7 is, by virtue of it's "squeezecocker" technology one of the safest pistols ever made, and it is fantastically accurate..

Best Wishes,

Jesse
 
There is a Canadian company that imports police trade-in P7's, but for some reason they can only get Grade B's. If I could get a Grade A at a reasonable price, I'd be all over it.
 
I have had a "Grade B" since December 2007. It is one of my favorite firearms now. The gun is like brand new with the exception of some wearing of the blueing on the top of the slide, on the front corner of the trigger guard, and a little bit of wear on the grips. Mine looks like it had hardly ever been fired - although it had obviously been carried around in leather a holster. If you were starting a museum of firearms, then sure, pay another $100-$150 and get a "Grade A" to be displayed in a cabinet. If you are going to shoot the gun though, and use it with a holster, then the whole Grade A/B thing is pointless. All the PSPs coming to N. America have such little wear on them. It's just the blueing. They are like new guns otherwise. If you are one of these people that brings the extra fluffy bath towels to lay out on the bench at the range to try and avod the slightest scratch on your firearms... go buy a brand new P7M8 and never take it out of the box... but if you are into shooting, then I think it's time to get new mindset about firearms, at least the ones that you are going to fire.

I have really been impressed with my PSP. It is very accurate, no malfunctions, and it is very, very fun to shoot.
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This was shot by one of the RO's at my range from 10 yards on his first time trying the PSP. Awesome accuracy on these.
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Did someone days "small gun"?
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My girlfriend with the PSP:
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Substantially smaller than a USP:
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ghostie said:
I have had a "Grade B" since December 2007. It is one of my favorite firearms now. The gun is like brand new with the exception of some wearing of the blueing on the top of the slide, on the front corner of the trigger guard, and a little bit of wear on the grips. Mine looks like it had hardly ever been fired - although it had obviously been carried around in leather a holster. If you were starting a museum of firearms, then sure, pay another $100-$150 and get a "Grade A" to be displayed in a cabinet. If you are going to shoot the gun though, and use it with a holster, then the whole Grade A/B thing is pointless. All the PSPs coming to N. America have such little wear on them. It's just the blueing. They are like new guns otherwise.
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ghostie:

I would be the first to agree with you that there is absolutely nothing wrong with a "B" grade P7. In fact just from my research before buying my first P7 it seems the line between the "B" rated (VG/Exc) and the "A" rated (Exc/Like New) is easily blurred between the upper end of the "B"'s and the lower end of the "A"'s..

I didn't pay the extra $75.00 on my first P7 because I wanted to just collect and display it.. I only planned to buy one and it was, to ME, worth the extra just to increase the potential for getting the best pistol possible. When my first P7 came new and unfired I had no doubt I got my monies worth.

I immediately stuck it in my holster, drove out the the range and shot it.. Presto, instant "B" gun? Don't know, but the extra cost of an "A" was simply not a big deal. I don't plan to EVER sell my P7's as they are the best pistols I've ever owned, For me, over the long haul, the premium I paid (three times) was money well spent.

IF no "A"'s were available I would have no problem at all buying a "B" grade. As you mentioned, if you carry either grade around in a holster on a regular basis you will have slide wear, just the nature of the pistol.

It is my opinion, and only that, that the HK folks who graded these pistols, and those grades were said to be on INTERNAL, not cosmetic wear, found something in each pistol that caused them to rate it either an "A" or a "B", and it wasn't slide wear..

I think ALL of these "A" and "B" P7's are in fantastic condition. If I lived in Canada I would scarf up a "B" model in a heartbeat. IF I lived in Canada and "A" and "B"s were available I'd buy "A"'s.. But that's just me.

I have a small pile of firearms, and ALL of them are shooters. I don't "collect" anything to show or store..

There is a video online someplace that lasts about 18 minutes and it shows how the P7 is made and tested and such.. It's pretty neat. I sent it to my Buddy, and he wound up ordering a P7 too, and loves it. (The video can be found using "Google" and is entitled: "HK P7 series promo.mpg ." It covers all the P7 series and runs 18.1 minutes and dates from 1992)

Congratulations on having an HK P7. I think it's one of the finest 9mm pistols in the world.

Just personal opinion/no offense intended.

Jesse

P.S. Anyone considering buying a P7 might want to try and pick up an extra magazine at the same time if possible. The P7's sold here in the U.S. only come with one mag.

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Hi Jesse,

Good to see you got yourself a P7. I loved my P99 but the P7 just trumps it.
I am REALLY jealous of you Walther PPS! We can't get that up here and even if we could they would put a 106mm barrel on it that sticks out the front!
 
BKP99 said:
Hi Jesse,

Good to see you got yourself a P7. I loved my P99 but the P7 just trumps it.
I am REALLY jealous of you Walther PPS! We can't get that up here and even if we could they would put a 106mm barrel on it that sticks out the front!
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BKP:

Thanks..

When the PPS became available I replaced my previous all time favorite cc pistol, the P99c/AS, with it. The P99c/AS was a wonderful pistol, always reliable and amazingly accurate, but the merits of the PPS/P99c/AS overlapped to the extent having both made no sense.

The PPS is extremely thin in comparison to the P99c/AS, is much lighter, and has better sights. The "Glocklike" trigger/striker is not nearly as sweet as the "AS" on the P99c/AS, and the capacity is lower, but I considered the easier cc aspect and considered the PPS a good swap-off, all things considered.

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My PPS is a first series (AB1428) and I was afraid of the potential for new model "bugs" to pop up, and one did.

After about 200-300 rds of perfect reliability and excellent accuracy my PPS started having ejector problems. It's been back to S&W for warranty repair once, and will be going again next week.. It's the first Walther I've ever owned (PP/P1/P5 & the two P99's) that has EVER had a problem..

Once the PPS gets fixed and I can depend on it I think it will make for excellent cc, but until the reliability is equal to what I have come to expect in a Walther pistol I won't be trusting it...

I'll tell ya though, with the exception of weight the HK P7 is as good a cc firearm as you can ask for. I just got a FIST Kydex (VERY THIN) iwb holster for it, and it's a neat carry gun too.

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Best Wishes,

Jesse
 
koalorka said:
I want a Grade A PSP real bad....
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koa:

Hope you can find one, but if they aren't available in Canada you won't be disappointed in a "B".

I've noticed lots of folks here in the U.S. who buy "B"'s by preference as they plan to have them hardchromed anyway.

From what I have read (as I mentioned in any earlier post) these 17,000 Lower Saxony (Germany) P7's are graded by HK prior to export and the respective grade on each pistol is not based on external cosmetic appearance, but INTERNAL wear. I should think obvious visual external wear would disqualify a particular pistol from being graded "A" no matter the internals, but I don't know that for sure.

But, in my personal opinion, anyone saying the only difference between one of these HK P7's rated "A" vs "B" is cosmetic slide wear is mistaken.

If someone can prove me wrong, I'll be more than happy to admit my mistake.

It is my understanding that NONE of these pistols have been re-finished, and the condition of even the "B" grades is very, very good.

My theory as a senior citizen opinionated old fart is that FOR ME paying a premium for an "A" grade was what I wanted to do. IF no "A" grades were available I would have bought "B"'s...

Both grades are HK P7's, and either will probably give you (me certainly, I'm OLD), a lifetime of excellent, trouble-free service.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

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How do you guys find the squeeze/cocking mechanism? I have to admit I avoided this pistol because of that. I was afraid it would affect accuracy, and or teach me bad habits with my regular pistols.
 
Epoxy7 said:
How do you guys find the squeeze/cocking mechanism? I have to admit I avoided this pistol because of that. I was afraid it would affect accuracy, and or teach me bad habits with my regular pistols.
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Epoxy:

I had never shot a "squeezecocker before" I got my first P7. The photo below was taken of the results of the first magazine (of 8 rds) I fired through the pistol .. I shot two-handed, standing (but resting my shooting hands on the back of my wifes golf cart to steady them) from 7 yards.

I only shoot from 7 yards because I consider that distance the maximum personal defense distance I would use in a personal confrontation. I'm NOT into long distance target shooting, I'm into personal defense... (I carry concealed, legally).

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I was shooting to determine the poa/poi and it was a pleasant surprise to see a hole appear in the X ring with the first shot. Even more surprising when all of the remaining rounds did likewise.

I'm a senior citizen, with less than steady hands, declining vision and just an average marksman at best. I should think that a better marksman would blow the hole out of the center of the bullseye.

The HK P7 is capable of fantastic accuracy, and every shot fired is single action from a very light and crisp trigger pull.

I cannot address your concerns about the unusual squeezecocking feature of the P7 vs your other weapons. I would suggest after you shoot a P7 you will put the other pistols/revolvers in the gun safe. :cheers:

I'm 65 years old and have owned firearms for over 50 years. My only complaint regarding the HK P7 pistol is it took me so long to buy one..

Best Wishes,

Jesse
 
Laserlips,
Thank you for the indepth response.
I have to admit I would have bought one if I had been in the market at the time. I really like the looks and the quality is obvious. As it turns out, it looks like I missed the boat. Arms East is sold out of the PSP.

I also agree with you about the "A" grade model. That would be my preference as well. I already have a "duty" pistol that is used for work. That one can have the holster marks. I like my personal firearms to be as pristine as possible. For me It's pride of ownership to keep them looking new.

By the way for those that do want to use these firearms with holsters. Treat the metal with G96 gun treatment. It'll help keep those holster wear marks down to a dull roar. This is what I use for my duty pistol. It works wonders. I think it helps when drawing as well :D. It does however work better with stainless steel firearms though.

Strangeday,
That would be good :). I know I'd like one.
 
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Laserlips said:
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I was shooting to determine the poa/poi and it was a pleasant surprise to see a hole appear in the X ring with the first shot. Even more surprising when all of the remaining rounds did likewise.

I'm a senior citizen, with less than steady hands, declining vision and just an average marksman at best. I should think that a better marksman would blow the hole out of the center of the bullseye.

The HK P7 is capable of fantastic accuracy, and every shot fired is single action from a very light and crisp trigger pull.
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I don't have a PSP but I have a P7M8 but it was the handling and fondling of a friend's PSP that lead to my purchase and darned if the PSP's didn't sell out by the time I was ready. It is definitely one pistol that does not disappoint in terms of build quality and accuracy (I'm not that 'good' with my pistol but others have shown me what it's capable of ;)). I'm just curious as to what ammo you are putting through your P7. BTW, good shooting!!
 
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misfire said:
I don't have a PSP but I have a P7M8 but it was the handling and fondling of a friend's PSP that lead to my purchase and darned if the PSP's didn't sell out by the time I was ready. It is definitely one pistol that does not disappoint in terms of build quality and accuracy (I'm not that 'good' with my pistol but others have shown me what it's capable of ;)). I'm just curious as to what ammo you are putting through your P7. BTW, good shooting!!
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mf:

The great majority of ammo run through my P7 is the cheap (relatively) Winchester White Box 115 grain ball rounds that WalMart sells. It runs less than $20 (American) for a "value pack" of 100rds.

For personal defense and cc I prefer the 115 grain JHP "DoubleTap" round. The DoubleTap is extremely fast, with low flash powder, and all of my self defense 9mm's love it. DT is also available in other calibers, and you can check it out online at: www.doubletap.com.. It's good stuff.

I have used Speer 124 grain "Gold Dots" JHP's a bit, but those rounds impact a bit low for me at self defense distance (7 yards).

So, for making holes in paper it's Winchester White Box, and for (hopefully never) having to make holes in folks it's DoubleTap 115 grain JHP's.

Best Wishes,

Jesse
 
Suputin said:
Why are you tempting us with guns that are a hugue PIA for us to even consider buying? As well they are sold out of the PSP mags.

I have a very nice ex-Polizei PSP myself. :)
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Su:

It is my understanding that the HK P7 is legal to own in Canada by private individuals, so thought some folks might have an interest in acquiring one..

These pistols have been few and far between for a long time, and more than likely that situation will hold true again when this batch is gone.

I don't have a clue as to why acquiring a legal firearm in Canada would be a "PIA".. It would seem that either a firearm is legal, and can be purchased through normal channels w/normal paperwork involved, or a firearm is illegal, and certainly would be, if a person were stupid enough to try and acquire one, a big-time "PIA".

As to the availability of the CDNN "demo" P7 mags, that changes by the hour. I made three separate orders for a P7 last month, and the first 2 times I ordered a 2nd magazine @ $39.00. When I ordered my third P7 I also added 4 more, but Neal said they were sold out.. He then said "let me see if another shipment might have come in", and when he checked more magazines were available and I bought 4. I have a total of 9 magazines for my three P7's so I think 3 for each pistol is adequate.

Apparently these magazines are imported on a regular basis, and there could be a time when all stock is sold out but the new shipment has not arrived yet.

My buddy ordered his "A" grade P7 two weeks ago, and the day he placed his order CDNN was out of extra mags. I told him to check back every few days as there seem to be more in the pipeline.

I'm sure at some point the 17,000 P7's will be sold out and no more batches are likely to be imported.. Same with the extra mags. I guess sooner or later that suppy will try up too, but I don't think it has at this time.

Or, for all I know, there could be another 170,000 P7's sitting in a warehouse, right next to 340,000 "demo" mags, just waiting for to be released for export..

I'm just glad I have my three P7's, glad you have yours, and hope all the folks there in Canada who might have an interest have the opportunity to get one , or more, too..

IMO the HK P7 is not just a classic, it's a fine pistol....:)

Best Wishes,

Jesse
 
I bought one of the grade "B" examples from Arms East and I am really impressed with the accuracy. Mine does show holster wear and I do wish the finish was in better shape but it is only cosmetic and certainly doesn't hurt perfomance. I too like to have my pistols looking as "new" as possible.
It does take a couple of tries to get used to the squeeze cocker but the trigger is excellent. Once the pistol is cocked it takes very little pressure to hold the cocker back and you don't have to apply great pressure to hold it in.
I would love to get a P7M8 but the average price of about $2000.00 has kept me from picking one up. For that kind of money I would much rather have something like a Sig X5.
 
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