dangertree
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Laserlips, thanks for the heads up on mags!
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CDNN HK P7's
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kxc:
Just personal opinion, but even though I could have bought one P7M8 for around the same price as my last two P7's, I never gave a moments thought to buying one.
The only differences, I believe, between the P7 and the P7M8 are to my understanding: 1. larger trigger guard, w plastic heat shield. 2. ambi-mag release on grip. 3. Possibly slight difference in sights.
1. I prefer the smaller trigger guard, and the heat shield is absolutely of no consequence in the P7 or M8 in a self defense situation. My P7 heats up after roughly firing 5-6 mags rapidly and if my crisis is not resolved in 40-48 rounds I'm in a world of hurt.. Additionally who carries more than one extra magazine when carrying, (or even one)? So, unless your P7 gets unbearably hot within two magazines of rapid fire it doesn't mean a thing.
Now if you want a range pistol, to shoot hundreds of rounds through at one range session you might prefer the M8 with the plastic heat shield which might give you , what, two or three more magazines fired before heat became an issue? The heat shield is: PLASTIC, it doesn't stop heat transfer, only slows it down a bit.
2. My P7 is primarily a cc self defense weapon. One of the reasons for the dissatisfaction the New Jersey Police reported had with the P7M8 was accidental mag releases... No accidental mag releases with the heel release on the P7. Works for me. I've had several pistols in the past with the heel release (Walther PP/Sig P220/ Walther P1 & P5), and I kinda prefer it.
3. Never got the scoop on the difference between the sights on the P7 vs the M8, but I love the sights on my P7, so that's not a factor, for me, either.
I'm not a pistol collector, I'm a shooter. It seems most folks who collect the P7M8 are more "into" collecting and more P7 folks are "into" carrying the P7 as a concealed carry choice, and casual plinking.
Just from what I read it "seems" the majority of HK P7 series lovers actually prefer the ever so slightly (overall) P7 for personal conceal carry.
I'm NOT anti-P7M8, I just don't see paying twice the price for the same pistol with the exception of minor changes which I don't care for anyway.
Additionally, I kinda like knowing on the unlikely chance my first P7 "breaks" I've got two "spares" in the gun cabinet.
:Just personal opinion/no offense to the P7M8 lovers..
Jesse
"Laser" I agree with all your comments. The only reason I thought about picking up a M8 was because I liked the P7 so much and we can not apparently get the grade "A's" in Canada. The idea that they will become even more rare in the future and the idea of having a brand new one in pristine condition were also factors. We don't have the luxury of lots of places to have pistols refinished up here and the P7 is a pistol I want to hold onto.
I primarily shoot Sigs so that's a platform that I am more familliar with and the reason I would rather get an X5 tactical over a new M8. The Sigs I can fix but the P7 is a little more daunting should anything go wrong.
I primarily shoot Sigs so that's a platform that I am more familliar with and the reason I would rather get an X5 tactical over a new M8. The Sigs I can fix but the P7 is a little more daunting should anything go wrong.
kx:
I just don't understand the "nuances" of firearms ownership in Canada, so any advice I offered would be just from personal experience, and all of that in the U.S.
If you cannot not get an "A" P7 and that is your desire, the by all means buy a P8 if you can find one at a price you can stand. I just don't need a "show" or "collector" gun of any description, but if someone offered me a deal too good to refuse on a P7M8 I'd scarf it up in a heartbeat. But I think my first love in this series will always be the P7.
I will say that I've been doing a lot of reading on the various firearm forums and searching for posts on the P7 or P7M8 and such, (www.parkcitiescapital.com) and I've read lots of posts from folks who DID buy the "B" grade P7's and I've yet to read anyone saying they were not happy with the pistol they got. As advertised the "B"'s are "Very Good/Excellent" and the "A"'s are advertised as "Excellent/Like New".. Any way you figure it the worse pistol you would get would still be "Very Good", and you very well might get one from the upper "Excellent" end..
I believe ANY of them would be fine and you might have slightly more internal wear than someone with an "A", or maybe more slide wear, but these HK P7's are made like Mack Trucks.. They ARE tough, so I don't think slight wear, internal or external, should keep you from getting a P7 if you really want one.
I'm rapidly becoming of the opinion that all of these 17,000 imported P7's are in very good shape, and probably have more useful life left in them than you or I. (Well, me for sure..
)Best Wishes,
Jesse
dangertree
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The rest of the last shipment didn't arrive, they're coming in on the current license in the next two weeks. Two of them are coming home with me this time! I'm still P7-less.
We'll try to get more, but the current source has all but dried up. I wonder how many CDNN las left?
Paulinator
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I just spoke for one from Walt.
jesse/laserlips, thanks for the response!! I'll have to buy a couple boxes to try out but it'll cost more than $20 here....
Not all who own P7M8's are collector'. I'm a P7M8 shooter and loving it but I know of people who bought P7M8's new and don't intend on shooting them...I agree with your assessment of the M8's mag release being a possible 'liability' in a CCW situation but as a Canuck I need not worry about this.
Most embarassing moment was first time at the range with it. I took the pistol out of the case, went to rack the slide back and wound up removing the slide....
Not all who own P7M8's are collector'. I'm a P7M8 shooter and loving it but I know of people who bought P7M8's new and don't intend on shooting them...I agree with your assessment of the M8's mag release being a possible 'liability' in a CCW situation but as a Canuck I need not worry about this.
Most embarassing moment was first time at the range with it. I took the pistol out of the case, went to rack the slide back and wound up removing the slide....
The rest of the last shipment didn't arrive, they're coming in on the current license in the next two weeks. Two of them are coming home with me this time! I'm still P7-less.
We'll try to get more, but the current source has all but dried up. I wonder how many CDNN las left?
Any chance you could set one aside for a HK nut like myself?
I've loved to read all these comments on the second most expensive gun I have ever bought. They reinforce every impression I have gained and let me know I am actually lucky not to have an M8. My PSP may be rated grade B but, when I bought it, I could not swear that it had ever been fired. The only reason I knew it was used was the lack of a box. Mine came with EIGHT magazines!
I can understand that. Let's just say the P7 is the easiest gun to field strip of any I've ever tried. (The Steyr is easier to reassemble, however. Clink, snick, click, click, done.)
Most embarassing moment was first time at the range with it. I took the pistol out of the case, went to rack the slide back and wound up removing the slide....
I can understand that. Let's just say the P7 is the easiest gun to field strip of any I've ever tried.
(The Steyr is easier to reassemble, however. Clink, snick, click, click, done.)
dangertree
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We were expecting a small shipment , told it was our last, however, when the box got here, we only received 5, thought that might be it, but confirmed Friday evening that the remainder of our order were just delayed. The few we did get sold Thursday night.
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What kind of holster is this? Where did you find it? I have a Milt Sparks IWB on order.
It isn't the buying or registering of the pistol which is the problem, it is the crossing of an international border which is the PIA. I brought one collectible pistol in from the USA a few years ago and it is not only a lengthy process but it is quite expensive. I think it added about $300 - $400 to the cost of the pistol IIRC.
I have 4 mags for my gun but wouldn't mind another 2. Again, getting things out of the USA legally can be an issue for us.
It would be a LOT easier if a distributor brought in a shipment. Bringing guns in one at a time from the US is a serious PIA.
I wouldn't mind having a second, "unaltered" P7 to go with the one I already have. But after more than a decade of waiting to get the one I have, I am quite happy to live with only one.
Sup
jesse/laserlips, thanks for the response!! I'll have to buy a couple boxes to try out but it'll cost more than $20 here....
Not all who own P7M8's are collector'.
mf:
I didn't mean to imply the majority of P7M8 were "collectors only", but I do believe that a lot of them are, and here's why I think that to be true.
Until the recent appearance of these 17,000 Lower Saxony Police pistols that were de-commissioned, graded and released for export about the only game in town, if you wanted a P7 was the pricey P7M8.
THAT's the very reason I never had one. AT $1200 and up they were simply too expensive for my taste, especially when you could get a very good Walther, Sig, or other high end pistol for $500-$800, or less.. So, I settled for the Sig P239/Walther P99's, and the like until I saw the advertisement for these P7's in the CDNN catalog.
So, those folks who could afford the expensive P7M8's, not all, but a lot, really wound up with a pistol that was more likely to increase in value, especially if NIB than most other pistols... So, if you had $1500 locked up in a fine NIB P7M8 chances are excellent you weren't going to shoot the sucker.
Enter roughly 17,000 P7's on the market, at half (or less) the price of a P7M8 and all of a sudden you have a lot of folks who have lusted after the P7M8, but couldn't afford one and now they CAN afford $600-700 for what is basically the very same pistol with minor differences..
I think the vast majority of folks buying these P7's, myself included, aren't buying as an investment or looking for our pistols to increase in value in the future, although that would be a bonus, but we bought the pistols to shoot, use, cc, and enjoy.
After I bought my first P7 I was so happy I SOLD other pistols I wasn't using any more to finance my other two P7's.. I do feel like the P7's will hold their value, even possibly increase in value over time, when compared to those pistols I sold.
That's the reason I suggested to the other gentleman who wants an "A" grade, but is likely to only find a "B" grade in Canada to BUY a "B" grade.. I would take a "B" grade P7 in a heartbeat over no grade at all.. And as I mentioned in an earlier post, it seems those folks who elected to buy "B" grades, even when the "A"'s were available are all happy campers..
I love my P7 and over my half a century as a firearms owner I don't think I've ever had pistol made of better stuff, more safe, or more accurate than my 28 year old P7.
Best Wishes,
Jesse
Sup:
I wonder if a Canadian Distributor could get a shipment into Canada (legally of course) if he had a large enough order?
Or, if say, 25 or some like number of persons wanting an HKP7 placed an order , with non-refundable deposit with a large Canadian distributor could they import them do you think?
Especially for those folks desiring an "A" grade P7 this might be the only way they could have access to one.
That way the distributor, who is familiar with the "in's and out's" of importing from American could handle the paperwork and "PIA" factor and all the buyer had to do was show up when the pistols arrive and process whatever the paperwork would be on a pistol that wasn't imported.
Just a thought.
Best Wishes,
Jesse
It is a German police surplus holster for the P7. This one came from Mesa Tactical in Arizona. If you check around the net, there are actually a number of different variations on this same basic design being sold in the U.S. right now. Some (like mine) were obviously never issued. Others show wear and were issued, but they are basically giving them all away. I think I paid $28 for mine (it says the price inthe other thread below, I just haven't checked it).
There are some more pics of it in one of the other P7 PSP threads:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=202992
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We were expecting a small shipment , told it was our last, however, when the box got here, we only received 5, thought that might be it, but confirmed Friday evening that the remainder of our order were just delayed. The few we did get sold Thursday night.
Sounds good. If you could add one on top of the current order we're working on, that would be great. PS stop getting cool stuff, I'm going broke.
