Deer hunting with dogs

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I was in Ottawa visiting a buddy today and he was telling me about how some hunters over there hunt deer with dogs. I am very curious about how this is done.
I have never seen this before, how is this type of hunt done exactly? How do the dogs assist you in this type of hunt and what are they supposed to do? What breed of dog is used for this type of hunt? Is it something like the way beagles hunt rabbits?
 
I certainly could not shoot a deer being chased by dogs. What sport is in that. like fox and hounds in England. What would the meat taste anyways with all that adrenalin in it. Just Imagine the panic the animal is in. Almost inhumane IMHO.
 
From experience I can tell you that I have yet to see a deer that can't out run dog.

A push with dogs generally lasts at the most 2 hours in the bush. Of that 2 hours, the "chase" period where the dogs are running the deer typically lasts 5-10 minutes. The dogs simply keep the deer moving and provide the hunter an opportunity to line up a successful shot.

Once the push is over, whether successful or not, the dogs are collected and the group leaves the area.

Again from experience I can tell you that I can not tell the difference in meat taste between a dog run deer or a bow hunted deer or a still hunted rifle deer. And yes I have done the comparisons. The myth that the adrenaline spoils the meat seems to ME to be just that, a myth.

Everyone has different hunting practices, still hunts, stalking, baiting, running dogs, guns, bows, rifles, shotguns etc.

Saying that hunting deer with dogs is in-humaine makes me wonder just how humaine other means of hunting are??

Bear baiting, food plots, feeders, I mean if I was to say that running dogs was in-humaine, how could I ethically use a deer grunt call or lure scent. How humaine is it to fool a dominant buck in to thinking he's about to meet an adversary only to meet his maker.......

Saying that a clean dog run deer kill is in-humaine, makes me wonder how humaine my bow kills are when the deer runs 60-100 yards before laying down to die.

Everyone has thier own hunting practices, just because you don't practice this way doesnt mean it is un-ethical or in-humaine
 
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This topic always gets everyone worked up... That being said, I've hunted deer with dogs and really enjoyed it. I'll defend anyone's legal sporting activity, be it trapping, running dogs on deer, bear, cougar or using birds of prey as your hunting tool.

Enjoy the outdoors guys & gals and try not to be judgemental of other sports. To allow ourselves to be divided over issues is to ultimately see the death of our entire sport. PETA and WWF are just waiting for the first house of cards to fall so they can start working on the next...

Cheers
Jay
 
yup.... Release the hounds! If adrenaline spoils the meat then bow hunted deer must taste awful :)

I think running the dogs thru the bush is a lot safer then pushing the bush with people!
 
Shooting a deer at more than 50 yards away is inhumane, i mean really, guys have these tricked out guns, that basically shoot themselves, how can you call that hunting, the deer never had a chance. And whats that deer going to taste like, with all that blood shot meat, from that 375 H&H. Bone fragments and guts littered throughout the body cavity, shame on you unethical hunters!:runaway:
 
I own three beagles. I live north of kingston in farm country. It's legal but you don't need dogs here anymore because of the high deer population. My hunt camp is north of #7 highway and it's all thick forrest and ridges and swamps. If you don't use hounds to start deer you will not see very much. It's a traditional way to hunt deer in eastern Ontario.Don't bad mouth it , if you haven't any idea what you're talking about.The deer can be as far as a mile in front of the hounds in a very few minutes of a chase starting, it does not guarantee anything, but it's great to listen to. My one beagle , who's 20 years old got porcupined once and had 350 quills removed at the vets.Those who've gone on one of these trditional hunts will agree that they are great, even though your not always successful. If you hunt wide open country, you can't imagine what a hound hunt is like!!!
 
constablex said:
From experience I can tell you that I have yet to see a deer that can't out run dog.

A push with dogs generally lasts at the most 2 hours in the bush. Of that 2 hours, the "chase" period where the dogs are running the deer typically lasts 5-10 minutes. The dogs simply keep the deer moving and provide the hunter an opportunity to line up a successful shot.

Once the push is over, whether successful or not, the dogs are collected and the group leaves the area.

Again from experience I can tell you that I can not tell the difference in meat taste between a dog run deer or a bow hunted deer or a still hunted rifle deer. And yes I have done the comparisons. The myth that the adrenaline spoils the meat seems to ME to be just that, a myth.

Everyone has different hunting practices, still hunts, stalking, baiting, running dogs, guns, bows, rifles, shotguns etc.

Saying that hunting deer with dogs is in-humaine makes me wonder just how humaine other means of hunting are??

Bear baiting, food plots, feeders, I mean if I was to say that running dogs was in-humaine, how could I ethically use a deer grunt call or lure scent. How humaine is it to fool a dominant buck in to thinking he's about to meet an adversary only to meet his maker.......

Saying that a clean dog run deer kill is in-humaine, makes me wonder how humaine my bow kills are when the deer runs 60-100 yards before laying down to die.

Everyone has thier own hunting practices, just because you don't practice this way doesnt mean it is un-ethical or in-humaine
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Well said! Deer can easily stay ahead of dogs and aren't for the worse because they are being pursued. Deer have been pursued by wolves far before dogs were ever used and are doing just fine. A few quick leaps and deer are across the valley or field. The dogs are tracking by scent, they need to keep the nose to the ground and are going at a far slower pace. Plus deer ##### cross each others tracks and dogs have a hard time following the same deer's scent for long. So their not the tired out, adrenaline driven, fear strickened animals you may think they are.


This isn't open plains or open alpine country where you can see your animal at 800 yards. This is forested and brush country where you can barely see a 100 yards and 50 yards being average.
 
Jay said:
This topic always gets everyone worked up... That being said, I've hunted deer with dogs and really enjoyed it. I'll defend anyone's legal sporting activity, be it trapping, running dogs on deer, bear, cougar or using birds of prey as your hunting tool.

Enjoy the outdoors guys & gals and try not to be judgemental of other sports. To allow ourselves to be divided over issues is to ultimately see the death of our entire sport. PETA and WWF are just waiting for the first house of cards to fall so they can start working on the next...

Cheers
Jay
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Well said :)

There's always some judgmental person spouting about what they know nothing about! Same person will spews a load about runnin dogs for deer will then go out & chase partridge, pheasants, coons, mountain lions, or bears with a dog or hook a live minnow & let it sit in the water till a bigger fish gets hooked then throw it in the bottom of a boat to suffocate but that's OK :rolleyes:
 
troutseeker said:
Where I live, if a dog is chasing a deer the dog get's shot...
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And that is how it should be over here.

No, I am not going to let this be.......over here dogs are used in two ways on deer, first use is as a nose dog by one or two hunters.
Second type of use is in teams of dogs accompanied by a team or teams of characters, the first use is legitimate, the second is in my opinion not.
My reasoning is thus, the first use is primarily by a hunter or hunters and the quarry is hunted in a way that ultimately pits a single hunter against the animal, giving the quarry a better than reasonable chance of survival.

The second use pits a team of dogs and at least one team of doggers to run the animal down.

I now shoot every dog that I find unaccompanied as a matter of course.
 
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The dogs here in Ontario have to liscenced to hunt deer, bear or moose. The main reason they are used is due to the size and the lay of the land.DON't confuse hunting rabbits and deer with hounds.They are not even remotely close to being the same.BTW , hunting rabbits with hounds is fun to. All we are doing, when using hounds ,is getting the deer to move.
 
This can be cleared up more through education than through argument. To all those that haven't hunted with hounds:

There is a "visual" of deer screaming through the bush, foaming with sweat with a pck of vicious dogs nipping at their hind legs. The image is that this terrified deer runs out to the hunter and dies in terror.

This is not anything like how it really works!

In real life, the deer bed down in the hell-holes and thickets in our boreal bush. All the beagles do is get the deer up and moving...hence the reason we train them to howl or "tongue" when they get on a fresh scent....the more noise the better, gets more deer up and moving. Even if the beagles actually see the deer (jump it in it's bed) the deer is SOOOO far away from the dogs in 15 seconds, there is no way the dogs can catch it.

I've been hunting over dogs a long time, and heres how it *actually* plays out:

The dogs start tonguing on a fresh track off in the distance.

5 minutes later the deer walks out (hopefully :) ) apparenntly unconcerned, but moving to a place less noisy.

Deer gets shot.

10 minutes later the dogs come out on the track.

Seriously, the image of terrified deer being chased is completely false. All the dogs do is cover lots of ground, stir up the bush and get the otherwise bedded deer up and moving.
 
J Stuart said:
And that is how it should be over here.

No, I am not going to let this be.......
My reasoning is thus, .......... the quarry is hunted in a way that ultimately pits a single hunter against the animal, giving the quarry a better than reasonable chance of survival..........................I now shoot every dog that I find unaccompanied as a matter of course.
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First of all,where is it written that the animal should be afforded any reasonable chance of survival?For many millenia,hunting successfully as a means of survival far outweighed any sporting aspects of the chase in terms of importance."Gentleman's" snobbery and condemning another's hunting methods only serves to divide the entire hunting community,a practise that none of us can afford in this anti-everything day and age.

Secondly,I hope for you're own sake that if you ever shot my dog,you would be wearing body armour,full camo,and well honed in you're evade and escape skills.:sniper:
 
Well, beagles do sound nice and tame...unfortunately I have sat and watched arse-holes with half a dozen mongrel great pig dogs pulling deer down over here, illegal..yes, immoral..yes, have I seen it...yes.

Ps, I have seen the same pieces of sh!t spotlighting deer on the roads...and what do you know, they did that in groups too.

Pps, I can forgive a fellow going out with a spotty to feed his family...I cannot forgive a car load of pricks doing it for fun !
 
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