Mine can not shoot subsonic ammo at all. I am talking 8" groups with Tac 22 and CCI Standard at 50 yards. Yet surprisingly, it does under a 1" with cheap S&B Canadian match and Mini Mags. So red dot it is. Keeping this for others to plink with, or train new shooters on. It will put 10/10 rounds on a 4" gong at 50 with a dot and cheap ammo, so good enough for that. Recrowned it with zero improvement, kind of wish I did not buy this.. But it was cheap, so not too disappointed.Yeah, videos like this do nothing to entice me to buy a gun. I want a review that is done by a shooter, who understands what he is talking about and can speak intelligently about it...not a salesman.
I had to laugh when the guy with the hat commented on "old school" shooters who fire from the shoulder. His stance and position seemed pretty standard to me, but then the guy who should have worn a hat fired the gun with just the bottom point of the recoil pad barely touching his shoulder. New age methodology? I'd love to see him fire a rifled slug gun or a big-bore centerfire that way.
The "walnut" stock and "the little mount there" for a bipod...we old-schoolers used to call them sling swivel studs...are nice touches and I enjoyed hearing about them, just like the "knurled charging handle". Accuracy at unspecified distances, using mixed ammo and shot from entirely unsupported positions seemed...well, kinda ####ty, depending upon what that unspecified distance actually was. Is this just lousy reporting...or is it a way to avoid quantifying how bad the accuracy actually is?
I'm still liking this little gun; have about 400 rounds through it now, and have gotten 1-inch or a wee bit better @50 with a couple types of standard velocity ammo...sadly, stuff of which I had only tail-ends of boxes or bricks bought long ago. This was done the old-school way, i.e. off a solid rest to test accuracy. It's on its third optic now and I think I'm satisfied; if I can get 1/2MOA, i.e. an inch at 50, with ammo that I can get a brick or two right away, I will leave the scope on. But if 1 inch is too difficult to replicate regularly, I'll likely install a red dot just for gits'n'shiggles.
Sorry, no pics; even with "real" guns, I have no patience or interest in labelling and photographing endless series of targets. Sure won't be doing it with a casual toy like this.
Northern Rim...yet another cheap shortie .22
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"An inch at 50 is not 1/2 Moa it’s 2 moa. 1/2 inch at 50 is moa."
Absolutely, I had a total brain fart there. I meant 1 inch at 50, certainly. Apologies.
I went back to correct my mistake in the original post. Can't do anything about the three times that you just quoted me...
Absolutely, I had a total brain fart there. I meant 1 inch at 50, certainly. Apologies.
I went back to correct my mistake in the original post. Can't do anything about the three times that you just quoted me...
Nothing wrong with 1" holes at 50 yards! (2moa)Yeah, videos like this do nothing to entice me to buy a gun. I want a review that is done by a shooter, who understands what he is talking about and can speak intelligently about it...not a salesman.
I had to laugh when the guy with the hat commented on "old school" shooters who fire from the shoulder. His stance and position seemed pretty standard to me, but then the guy who should have worn a hat fired the gun with just the bottom point of the recoil pad barely touching his shoulder. New age methodology? I'd love to see him fire a rifled slug gun or a big-bore centerfire that way.
The "walnut" stock and "the little mount there" for a bipod...we old-schoolers used to call them sling swivel studs...are nice touches and I enjoyed hearing about them, just like the "knurled charging handle". Accuracy at unspecified distances, using mixed ammo and shot from entirely unsupported positions seemed...well, kinda ####ty, depending upon what that unspecified distance actually was. Is this just lousy reporting...or is it a way to avoid quantifying how bad the accuracy actually is?
I'm still liking this little gun; have about 400 rounds through it now, and have gotten 1-inch or a wee bit better @50 with a couple types of standard velocity ammo...sadly, stuff of which I had only tail-ends of boxes or bricks bought long ago. This was done the old-school way, i.e. off a solid rest to test accuracy. It's on its third optic now and I think I'm satisfied; if I can get 2MOA, i.e. an inch at 50, with ammo that I can get a brick or two right away, I will leave the scope on. But if 1 inch is too difficult to replicate regularly, I'll likely install a red dot just for gits'n'shiggles.
Sorry, no pics; even with "real" guns, I have no patience or interest in labelling and photographing endless series of targets. Sure won't be doing it with a casual toy like this.
Specially with bulk ammo, what ammo were you using up from your stash?
The section of the video where Fern was showing different shoulder positions was right after the "rubber butt pad" part was dropped from the audio due to a sloppy edit, that section didn't make much sense mostly due to the dropped audio.
That's strange going from an inch to 8 inches at 50 yards between mini mags and standard CCI?
Maybe the barrel needs more time to get seasoned with lead and things will tighten up a bit down the road.... 2moa with mini mags is pretty acceptable to me though!
Have you shot any other bulk ammo through it such as Federal Blue box? Federal blue box used to be my go to back when it was $15 for a box of 550 at Canadian Tire and I still have a bunch from that era.
Well, that sucks, regardless of how many MOA it represents.
Just to clarify, I was not referring to rounds labelled "subsonic" in my previous post. The stuff that shott best for me in my individual rifle was all labelled "standard velocity"...which is likely all subsonic anyway, but possibly still a bit faster than the nominal "subsonic" stuff. But who knows? The next guy's gun might shoot high velocity stuff the best.
It's like Forrest Gump said: "Chinese guns are like a box of chocolates..."
I wish I would have resisted the urge to buy. I should have bought the 20 inch Scorpio instead. Better rifle imo other than the stock and a lot cheaper.
I’ll keep tinkering with it. Trigger work to see if I can improve it a little, although I found that squeezing near the top of the blade had less creep a little heavier but more consistent feel. Might try pillar bedding the rear action screw. On my rifle if you tighten the rear screw to any thing over 15 inch pounds the tang starts to crush the the little 1/4 inch of wood that rests on. I’ll probably make the pillar long enough to float the tang to start. I doubt any of this will make much of a difference accuracy wise but it’s fun to work on these cheap guns to see if any improvements can be made.
I tried mini mag target in mine , but with bolt shim in ,it strung them vertically 6 inches. Did not bother trying with bolt shim removed. I’m going to give give a good cleaning then try the blazer with and without bolt shim as that’s probably the quality of ammo most will use.
I had the shortie Scorpio, and based upon that one gun and this one NorthernRim gun, I much prefer the latter. The stock is just as comfortable as the goofy Scorpio handle (whose ergonomics for me was about its main positive feature) and it looks much better.
I never owned both guns at the same time so cannot make direct comparisons, but as I recall the trigger on the Scorpio was nothing to get excited about and didn't change much over a few hundred rounds of use. The NRim gun's trigger might have been worse, but is definitely improving with use. Accuracy was similar with both guns; adequate, but just.
The NRim has a nicer, higher-quality "feel" to it, likely because I'm not grimacing every time I look at it. The biggest negative of the Scorpio was the fact that although much cheaper, it would have required me to buy more magazines for it as I had none on hand. The NRim lets me grab a handful of 10/22 mags from my stash, so the price is more or less a wash. And the fact that the 10/22 mags are flush fit rather than dangling down below like...something rude...is also a big plus IMHO.
But, the acid test will be whether or not I still own it at this time next year.
She is pretty seasoned at this point, well over 500 rounds down the pipe. Cleaned it and that did not nothing, so I redressed the crown with zero change in group sizes, just a slight poi shift. So far for subsonic I have shot Tac 22, CCI Standard, CCI Quite HP, and SK Rifle Match. None have done better than 8" at 50 yards. For super sonic I have shot Mini Mags, Stingers, S&B, and Velosters. All getting 1"-2" at 50. I have never had a 22 that can not shoot subs better than supers, which sucks because I wanted it for magpies and gophers with subs so I would not annoy the neighbors as much..
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When I say subsonic, I mean under the speed of sound for my elevation. That is around 1100 fps on average depending on temp. Gump was right haha. I have $100 Norinco's that can almost keep up with my 457.Well, that sucks, regardless of how many MOA it represents.
Just to clarify, I was not referring to rounds labelled "subsonic" in my previous post. The stuff that shott best for me in my individual rifle was all labelled "standard velocity"...which is likely all subsonic anyway, but possibly still a bit faster than the nominal "subsonic" stuff. But who knows? The next guy's gun might shoot high velocity stuff the best.
It's like Forrest Gump said: "Chinese guns are like a box of chocolates..."
Reading through most of the posts in this thread and it sounds like these rimfires are going to be real pride of ownership firearms. Who would have guessed?
There's the old adage "buy once cry once" and then there's "buy once and slap yourself."
They kind of sound like all but one of 4 10/22's I've owned. If you're willing to spend another $500 over and above the purchase price you "might" just end up with something close to worth owning.
There's the old adage "buy once cry once" and then there's "buy once and slap yourself."
They kind of sound like all but one of 4 10/22's I've owned. If you're willing to spend another $500 over and above the purchase price you "might" just end up with something close to worth owning.
North Sylva is calling the barrels "select", sounds like it's really being quite selective in terms of what it likes and hates!
The only good news is it doesn't hate everything.
How do you find the feeding from Ruger mags in general, I'm still tempted to pick up a plastic stocked version and might jump if Tenda has a sale when they open their new Alberta store.
Do you have any CCI quiets to try out for quiet mission inside of 25 yards?
Well I am glad I waited on buying one of these. I wanted something to replace my norinco jw15 with the 13in barrel I sold. As much as I absolutely hate the pistol grip/thumb hole stock the scorpio has, I think I will pick one up to try.
And some of us with a zero trader rating have several CZ's in the gun room. Also an Anschutz but I never take it out shooting.
I'm with you. I really don't see the appeal of these cheap shorty bolts...I just dont like the aesthetics...but...hey...if we were all the same it would be pretty boring market out there.
I like the cheap .22 semis though.....I don't expect them to shoot like my CZ's....so I'm happy with them.
I'm one of those old guys, and I have a bunch of "good stuff" in my safe, and which frequently goes to the range with me. I like to tinker, I have also owned a bunch of Nork .22s, a couple of scorpios, and most recently a 13" Nork JW15 (Likely the poorest finished and fitted .22 ever sold commercially. It shoots OK now, BTW. Cooeys, Anschutz, Toz, Zastava, etc. I like them all.
I also have a few good ones in the safe and like to tinker as well. Before buying these 2 cheap bolt action’s i was working on a couple old win 69a that were in rough shape both shoot pretty good now. I haven’t owned a semi auto for at least 20 years so I thought since I’m diving into buying these cheap bolt action’s to play with I might as well try a semi auto as well. I grabbed a tm22 pro. While it had some issues that had to be addressed it works reliably now and outshoots both Scorpio and cb22 with ease.
I also have a few good ones in the safe and like to tinker as well. Before buying these 2 cheap bolt action’s i was working on a couple old win 69a that were in rough shape both shoot pretty good now. I haven’t owned a semi auto for at least 20 years so I thought since I’m diving into buying these cheap bolt action’s to play with I might as well try a semi auto as well. I grabbed a tm22 pro. While it had some issues that had to be addressed it works reliably now and outshoots both Scorpio and cb22 with ease.
I have both rifles right now. And the trigger on my Scorpio is way better , no creep and breaks at 2.5 lbs. Also I find the build quality slightly better, actions is smoother , mags feed reliably, bolt is way easier to take down to clean and also has a better engineered fire control imo. Accuracy wise Scorpio is more consistent and way less picky about ammo. I am making headway on making cb22 more consistent accuracy wise , adding the bolt shim did this. I just finished making a .005 shim out of steel to replace the brass one I had made. The brass I think was compressing so not truly maintaining a specific head space. I’ll try it tomorrow to see if it makes any improvement.I had the shortie Scorpio, and based upon that one gun and this one NorthernRim gun, I much prefer the latter. The stock is just as comfortable as the goofy Scorpio handle (whose ergonomics for me was about its main positive feature) and it looks much better.
I never owned both guns at the same time so cannot make direct comparisons, but as I recall the trigger on the Scorpio was nothing to get excited about and didn't change much over a few hundred rounds of use. The NRim gun's trigger might have been worse, but is definitely improving with use. Accuracy was similar with both guns; adequate, but just.
The NRim has a nicer, higher-quality "feel" to it, likely because I'm not grimacing every time I look at it. The biggest negative of the Scorpio was the fact that although much cheaper, it would have required me to buy more magazines for it as I had none on hand. The NRim lets me grab a handful of 10/22 mags from my stash, so the price is more or less a wash. And the fact that the 10/22 mags are flush fit rather than dangling down below like...something rude...is also a big plus IMHO.
But, the acid test will be whether or not I still own it at this time next year.
