Brand New to Canada: SG-12 "SPAS"

Tried my SP-12 today.

Gun was disassembled, inspected, and reassembled without the magazine tube spring retainer to have 6 2.75" shells in the tube as advertised in the Tactical imports page. A longer spring was added to ensure proper feeding, as factory spring was barely the length of the mag tube + extension. New spring was approximately 2.25x the length of the magazine tube with the extension.

No extra cleaning or lubrication.

Put about 75 shells of mixed Score buckshot and slugs through it. Issues found:

- Experience double feeds every single time the gun was fully loaded, with less double feeds as the gun emptied.

- Occasional failures to feed, hull ejected from chamber but next shell hung up halfway out of magtube. Disassembled at the range with no apparent cause for issues.

- Pump mechanism was engaged. First shot in pump mode caused the action to seize shut. Had to mortar the charging handle to eject spent hull. Rest of pump mode shot ejected correctly, while still experiencing double feeds and failures to feed.

- The two screws that attach the heatshield to the barrel had come loose. Heatshield could move 3-4 mm front and back on the barrel.

- Choke quickly got loose, no wrench provided to tighten so it was removed for the duration of the tests. Choke attaches externally to the barrel which has external threads, so no damage was done while shooting the gun with the choke removed.

There were glaring issues out of the box as well. Some potentially so significant I can't talk about them.

- Gun is so tight out of the box, the bolt release cannot be used with one finger. Both hands needed to be gripping the receiver tightly, and then the bolt release button had to be pressed with significant force to get the action to close from the locked open position. Working the action is helping to loosen up the button, but it is still significantly tight.

- In the folded position, the stock latch was locked into the rear sight so tight, stock had to be removed from the receiver to release. A rubber guard was pressed into the stock, tensioning the entire stock against the receiver. It has been removed, and the latch can be operated freely now.

- The mechanism for switching between pump and semi was insanely tight. The instructions literally say to "wiggle the forend to help the switch". Wiggling did not help. Applying oil to the mechanism and the forend track did.

- The doublefeed was being caused by the aluminum follower, which was binding up in the magtube. Replaced it with a basic plastic orange 870 follower and issues went away.

- Heatshield is attached to the barrel with two crappy screws. They came loose, and heatshield rattles. Had to apply loctite, and retorque them.

Another shoot is planned for later this week.
All new firearms should be cleaned and lubricated prior to shooting, please lubricate the firearm and if there are any further issues let me know and we can get everything sorted. We tested these prior to release and found no issues provided the recommended ammunition was used as indicated on the description

Please also try testing with original spring and parts that came with the shotgun
 
It’s what I try to do trading stocks. 🤷

Anyone else notice that the sling eyelet on the pistol grip is now metal? - that’s kinda cool.
Plastic ones on my original Franchi SPAS 12’s from years back were both plastic and broken. Loops should have always been metal …especially on a combat shotgun …nice improvement on the clones
 
Plastic ones on my original Franchi SPAS 12’s from years back were both plastic and broken. Loops should have always been metal …especially on a combat shotgun …nice improvement on the clones
From the video post earlier it was never meant to be a sling point, but they made it and im happy about it.
 
Maybe TI can answer this.

Being that the sling loop atop the pistol grip is now metal, can we use it as a sling loop? Is it strong enough?
 
I purchased a SP-12 "SPAS" from Tactical Imports launch day. Post range intial impressions can be found here:

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...nada-sg-12-spas.2595012/page-14#post-21413573

TL;DR gun has issues.

TI replied to my post with suggestion on how to make the gun work:

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...nada-sg-12-spas.2595012/page-16#post-21414198

TL;DR clean and lube the gun, use the OEM parts.

Following TIs suggestions, follower, spring, and retainer are all OEM now. But the extension has been removed, and replaced with a Beretta 1301 mag tube cap... and a milk jug lid.

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Why did I just put a Beretta 1301 mag tube cap and a milk jug lid on a Turkish SPAS-12?

I am not a lawyer, and the following is not legal advice. If you would like legal advice, contact a lawyer that specializes in firearms.

I had to find a way to limit the magazine tube capacity of the gun. The SP-12 mag tube threads are the same as my Beretta 1301. But the mag tube cap outer diameter was too small, so the barrel could move forwards from the receiver. The milk jug lid is large enough to push the barrel into the receiver and retain it with the Beretta cap.

Why did I not just use the mag tube extension that TI supplies with the SP-12?

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The SP-12 magtube extension is illegal.
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The extension is limited by a metal rod. The rod threads into the cap of the extension. And the cap comes off the extension as well.

Why is the extension illegal?

Metal magazines that are modified to limit capacity to the 5 round max capacity of a centerfire semiautomatic rifle or shotgun can be limited by permanently attaching a limiter to the magazine with metal (i.e. welding).

Relevant regulations:

https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/regu/sor-98-462/95029/sor-98-462.html

Relevant section:

"PAR T 4 - PROHIBITED DEVICES - Former Cartridge Magazine Control Regulations - (4) & (5)"

(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.

(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes

(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;

(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or

(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.

In summary, Tactical Imports sold over capacity guns to everyone with a SP-12 "SPAS". Exercise extreme caution, as the SP-12 as shipped is not legal with the magazine tube extension attached. Limit the capacity to 5 rounds of 3" 12 gauge sells via disassembling the firearm, replacing the extension with a milk jug cap and Beretta 1301 OEM mag tube cap (S&J +1 1301 extensions did not fit), or permanently limiting the OEM SP-12 extension by welding the rod to the extension cap, and welding the cap to the extension.

Thank you,

Crover
 
You gave them what a grand total of 24hrs and then decide to write a blog about it? And we wonder how we got here.
You think the cops would give you 24 hours to see if the manufacturer would take back the illegal thing they sold you, or would they just charge you immediately and confiscate all your guns?

This is kind of a big issue. Hundreds of people have been inadvertently put at risk of a criminal record because of the negligence of a company. Those people need to know and understand the legal risks they face.
 
I emailed TI. They did not reply.
Bro they are probably recieving hundreds of emails per hour about pre ordering, order status, shipping etc etc. You gave them what a day? You should take this post down and either call them or wait till they respond. This is obviously a super bad way to let everyone know about this if you have even a shred of awareness about the current political climate surrounding firearms in this country...
 
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