Brand New to Canada: SG-12 "SPAS"
- Thread starter Tactical Imports
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Well I see your problem, you didn't remove that spring and try stuffing the follower spring out of a CA-75 into the space before you complained it didn't work. I mean, it's like you're not even trying.
(Mine is at the post office, I'll see if I can get non life threatening failures too...I might be slow getting back if they are life threatening failures).
Update
I just started taking it apart and the tube extention was loose. This mean the whole assembly could move a bit forward Including the rear sight itself. I believe that why my stock was bouncing around. Will have to test that on the range cause otherwise nothing else make sense.
Just need to find a way to fix my bolt release and ill be very very happy.
For those of you who havent try yours yet. Tight your choke and your tube extention and keep an eye on it during your session.
Beside being load specific I think they can become reliable.
I just started taking it apart and the tube extention was loose. This mean the whole assembly could move a bit forward Including the rear sight itself. I believe that why my stock was bouncing around. Will have to test that on the range cause otherwise nothing else make sense.
Just need to find a way to fix my bolt release and ill be very very happy.
For those of you who havent try yours yet. Tight your choke and your tube extention and keep an eye on it during your session.
Beside being load specific I think they can become reliable.
Putting a longer mag spring in to try and increase reliability? Hmm, where have I heard that before...My M2 SP has been ZERO malfunctions for hundreds and hundreds of rounds. I’ve done the bolt mod to ghost load it and shortened the long spring (U.S Spring for the longer mag tube) it came with to the correct length. It’s been chugging away ever since.
Update on my Velociraptor gun: it ran 00 buck like a champ except sometimes it leaves the last round on the lifter with the bolt locked back - it thinks it’s empty but it’s notthis seems indicative of a weak magazine spring. Maybe I’ll put a longer spring in with the existing limiter. See how that goes.
Double feeds had been gone tho.
Maybe I’ll go back to #6 now and see how she does.
With the barrel off, and the bolt forward, push the bolt back with your finger slightly. The action bars and bolt carrier should stay forward, while the bolt can move freely rewards. Line up the bolt with the cutout on the bolt carrier, and the charging handle can now be removed.
If your bolt release is just tight, grab the receiver with both hands and push on it with both thumbs. It should release the bolt.
There is quite a bit of information on the internet and YouTube where a longer/ stiffer spring reduced malfunctions with this particular shotgun.
One YouTuber reduced malfunctions by using an original SPAS spring, and then replacing it with a Wolf Extra Power 870 spring.
I have a baseline established for reliability with the stock springs now.
Finally got that charging handle. Turn out all I had to do is hit it harder with my purse.
I can release the bolt. But I wish to do so with one thumb and a reasonable amount a pressure. Right now its impossible without pulling the charging handle back or in pump the forehand.
In my very first report, I stated I had the same problem.
I had to work the action until the bolt release button loosened up. It is still stiff for me, but I can get it to release with one finger now.
At the moment I cant even send it with both hand.
Can't help with that then. Time to contact Tactical Imports.
Can you do it without touching the forehand or charging handle?
Yup
Okay got mine and took it out. Now I WILL recommend that people strip these down and really clean them before taking them out. There was some really odd grease in the bolt and action. The oil itself was thin, but smelled different than the Afghani oil I used to get in high school.
I cleaned off all the packing oil and grease, tightened up the choke (Was only one thread onto the barrel), and I'm considering adding something sticky to the threads on the mag tube extension. I think I'll be leaving my mag cap in place, I might do something to secure it in there, I can see why these come loose, there's nothing keeping them in place I don't think. I did the entire gun over in simple green, then soaked it all in G96, wiped all that down and used lucas extreme duty gun oil on the action. Same as every gun.
I ran challenger buckshot, federal buckshot, and a big pile of random trap shot from back when I thought Trap was fun.
No malfunctions at all. Low brass high brass and various speeds I'm sure. It ran real nice and the recoil was way less than I expected. I ran only ~20 rounds total, so this is no sort of review, I'll take it out for a real trial tomorrow. I'll try and see if I can get 100 rounds through it without doing anything.
Pump action worked really well actually, nice and smooth. The button that moves it from semi to pump sure feels a little suspect, I'd like to be able to pick up replacement parts for sure, this is the kind of gun you bring out for guests, I think it will get a lot of use.
The action release is as reported really nasty. They utilized the tiny semi auto handle that a lot of semi autos come with, but yeah you have to pull back on that in order to release the action. That will get old real quick, but I assume that it should smooth out with use. I can't recall if the M3 had that issue when it was new. I haven't tried grinding or sanding anything at all until I'm 100% sure I have an issue, I'm more than happy to run this now that I know she feeds and ejects.
I was expecting this because of the M3, but the pump locks back on an empty chamber. Not the worst thing in the world but something to be aware of if you are used to a regular pump.
The spinny sling mount on the mag tube has got to go. Biggest complaint was that thing jingling around.
I do believe that a loose mag tube would result in the stock coming out of folded position, oh and the detent on the folding end piece is brutal. But that's such a small complaint (and I'll get that worked out).
Overall 10/10. That might change with use. So far, very happy.
I cleaned off all the packing oil and grease, tightened up the choke (Was only one thread onto the barrel), and I'm considering adding something sticky to the threads on the mag tube extension. I think I'll be leaving my mag cap in place, I might do something to secure it in there, I can see why these come loose, there's nothing keeping them in place I don't think. I did the entire gun over in simple green, then soaked it all in G96, wiped all that down and used lucas extreme duty gun oil on the action. Same as every gun.
I ran challenger buckshot, federal buckshot, and a big pile of random trap shot from back when I thought Trap was fun.
No malfunctions at all. Low brass high brass and various speeds I'm sure. It ran real nice and the recoil was way less than I expected. I ran only ~20 rounds total, so this is no sort of review, I'll take it out for a real trial tomorrow. I'll try and see if I can get 100 rounds through it without doing anything.
Pump action worked really well actually, nice and smooth. The button that moves it from semi to pump sure feels a little suspect, I'd like to be able to pick up replacement parts for sure, this is the kind of gun you bring out for guests, I think it will get a lot of use.
The action release is as reported really nasty. They utilized the tiny semi auto handle that a lot of semi autos come with, but yeah you have to pull back on that in order to release the action. That will get old real quick, but I assume that it should smooth out with use. I can't recall if the M3 had that issue when it was new. I haven't tried grinding or sanding anything at all until I'm 100% sure I have an issue, I'm more than happy to run this now that I know she feeds and ejects.
I was expecting this because of the M3, but the pump locks back on an empty chamber. Not the worst thing in the world but something to be aware of if you are used to a regular pump.
The spinny sling mount on the mag tube has got to go. Biggest complaint was that thing jingling around.
I do believe that a loose mag tube would result in the stock coming out of folded position, oh and the detent on the folding end piece is brutal. But that's such a small complaint (and I'll get that worked out).
Overall 10/10. That might change with use. So far, very happy.
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Just contacted TI. Honestly I dont want to send it back. I just want that damn bolt release to to it job. Im sure its just something binding but I dont want to tinker around and void the warranty.
Oh, the instructions say to turn the charging handle (or something) to remove it. No idea what they mean by that. Just have the bolt slightly back out of battery and pull straight out. The biggest issue I see is making sure that mag extension doesn't come loose, it really does hold the whole thing together. I'll likely have a paint mark on the tube if I find it comes loose.
I think I have the same thing. I'm going to tap it with a small rubber mallet while I watch something on TV, I can tell it's just really really stiff, I don't think it's a repair item, but I suppose I'll know better tomorrow after a few dozen rounds. I used to shoot 3 gun matches so I know exactly how important a good bolt release is. I'd also like to get an M4 style oversized handle on this, but I think then it would hit that stock if it was folded.
This gun is strange. On pump it will lock back, but not forward. This is the exact opposite of what you would expect from a shotgun.
