408 chey,,,,,,, wow

Along with alot of smoke and mirrors, hocus pocus and other assorted BS.
The Cheytac guys are not telling you 100% of the story. I suppose it would not be so good for marketing.
Neat caliber, has potential as demostrated in Summerland last weekend, but the Cheytac guys like to compare apples and grapefruits, why they chose to compare their product in the finest matchgrade format while comparing it to military ball with Ma Deuce stats does not enhance their credibility at all.

Hopefully now that there are some credible bullet makers here in Canada, and if Jamison can get their brass issues sorted out this caliber can REALLY be evaluated and it may prosper. The potential is there.
 
chey tac training

Got an email back from them (two actually) . I've got a ph. number to call em tomorrow, they say I can use the chey tac for the 3 day course or use my 50 OR shoot both side by side and "see why they think the chey tac is the better choice" .

Sounds tempting, they said i'd have no trouble bringing my rifle down there and I could call ahead and have ammo ready for me when/ if I get there.
Problem is if i was to go i'd like to take my OWN BULLETS I'm shooting solids now too and don't wanna use the cheap surplus ball i'm sure they'd find for me.

M.
 
If you are bringing a rifle and ammo into the US, look carefully at their paperwork requirements. It is not as simple as declaring at the border. You may want to ask on the comp and precision forum and ask those who have taken down their toys for matches which forms they needed to fill out and apply for.

There are hoops as usual and that takes time to sort through.

Also, I am not sure how they feel about the movement of BMG anything across their border. However, if they are anal about export, they may take issue with you having it on their turf.

Don't just contact customs but also ATF and if need be, Dept of Commerce and the State Dept. The NRA might just be your first best source of info as they expect shooters from other countries to come to various matches and should have the info.

Like us, there are all manner of laws so cover your butt....

Jerry

PS when you figure it out, please let us know the rules of operation.
 
Ice-Pick, take what you hear from cheytac with a grain of salt. If you are interested in the .408 talk to the guys at Accurate Bullet Company in B.C. These guys were at The Summerland shoot and gave us a taste of what the .408 can do under realistic loads, not the Chey-tac marketing hype. They have a superior bullet and it is Canadian made. They also have a plethora of brass and components on hand. If you want to compare do it here. Take the no BS approach not the hyped up hollywood propaganda. The .408 is a great round and well worth a look, I just don't have much regaurd for Chey-tac. I was seriously looking at one before I went with my .50BMG.

With what the guys at ABC are doing and Alberta Tactical putting together thier own action I think it could well be my next project and done in a way that will rival Chey-tac.

Just my humble opinion.
 
They have a superior bullet and it is Canadian made.
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This company comes out of absolutely no where and makes a bullet and it's being touted as the latest/greatest thing.

I'm truly curious as to their credentials and what kind of testing they've been doing and why they have employed driving bands "a la artillery rounds". It's widely accepted that driving bands on artillery rounds increase drag on the projectile. I can't help but wonder if the ballistic co-efficient of this .408 projectile is to some degree compromised by it's very design, thus limiting its true potential.
 
The Accurate Bullet Company does not use a driving band on ANY of its bullets. They are not striving to make the highest ballistic co-efficient bullet, but make the most accurate bullet that they can make. Their 408 was about 1 year in the design, testing before manufacturing. Of course you haven't heard of them, they are a new company that has been in the planning stages for 3 or 4 years.... designed and started because U.S. limitations placed on sporting shooters in Canada. If you want to know anything else, feel free to email them at accuratebullet@hotmail.com. They never said the 408 was the best cartridge.. just a good one... another good cartridge to play with and explore its potentials.. A bad day of shooting is still better then a good day at work! Have a nice day
 
I have not had much chance to fully test the bullets I have from Accurate Bullet Company, BUT having weighed the 40 I do have, found less than .03 grain variation from heavist to lightest of the 40. 750 gr Amaxs have about 5 to 8 grains variation in the same box of 20 bullets.
Concentricty of the ABC bullets is under .005 the Amaxs are about .010, all things being equal the ABC bullet "should" be more accurate.
1 thing for certain whether it be in 408 or 510 dia they are AVAILABLE in Canada, which 408s or 50s from the US are not, at least not through legal means.
The ABC bullets do NOT have drive bands and are not bore riders.

I beleve the 408 caliber has promise, the Cheytac built rifles did little for me. Apparently EDM who actually made the Cheytac actions has bowed out of the scene so who knows where they are headed.
My gripe is the hype and BS that Cheytacs marketing team of a few years ago made claims to. Cheytac has undergone MAJOR changes in management and possibly ownership in the recent past, still I doubt we will see any here.
ATRS will be building some 408s I suspect as we were pressured at the Summerland shoot by the guys at ABC to build some actions, having local support and expertise is invaluable.

Several years ago Skip Talbot and #### Davis built a 408 necked to 338 and #### told me barrel life was next to nil, Kirby Allen has been messing with the 408 necked to 375 to try and get around the lack of bullet issue, but seems to be having some problems last I heard with case life, hopefully this too can be solved.
There are never too many options available in the ultra long range caliber game in my opinion. To have good access to components is the key.
 
They are not striving to make the highest ballistic co-efficient bullet, but make the most accurate bullet that they can make.
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That's probably one of the most obsurd comments I've heard. Let me get this straight, ok? You're making $3 bullets for a cartridge that has extreme long range potential and you're NOT trying to achieve the highest ballistic co-efficient possible? Huh? You can't have "the most accurate bullet that they can make" without it.

Either way, I wish them well and hope this encourages others to build more .408 based rifles.

The ABC bullets do NOT have drive bands and are not bore riders.
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Then what exactly are they? Look at the picture. While they definitely have a rebated boat tail, that doesn't define the projetile's overall design. You don't have a continuous bearing surface the entire length of the bullet. What would YOU call that? One could sepeculate as to why they designed the bullet this way but I'd rather hear their explanation.

Nice to hear the weights are within resonable variations.

I beleve the 408 caliber has promise, the Cheytac built rifles did little for me. Apparently EDM who actually made the Cheytac actions has bowed out of the scene so who knows where they are headed.
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Reportedly, they are once again re-newing their partnership on this. Remains to be seen how it goes.

Kirby Allen has been messing with the 408 necked to 375 to try and get around the lack of bullet issue, but seems to be having some problems last I heard with case life, hopefully this too can be solved.
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Apparently the new Sierra MK will be released later this month and Barney Lawton in the US will have some where in the neighbouthood of 10,000 bullets available for interested individuals. Why knows if they'll be a standard catalogue item? Time will tell, I guess.

I personally haven't heard of case issues. Is Allen doing anything besides just necking down the .408 case? I'm not familiar with his developmental work on this. heard of it, just haven't read much.

ATRS will be building some 408s I suspect as we were pressured at the Summerland shoot by the guys at ABC to build some actions, having local support and expertise is invaluable.
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Fantastic!
 
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Um, 2bad4u,,,,,,,, those are my bullets.

I had them made for me, and yes, they weigh in better than the amax's I had and the first shooting of them got me a better result than the amax as well. I have load developement underway and plan to test more this weekend.

Got the Rebated boattail idea from Dave Corbin when I spoke to him and read his writings.

I'm still reading.

M.
 
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the bullets in the picher are not abc buliets
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X2 They don't look anything like the bullets that I got from ABC.
Will post photos asap.

I too have not been following Kirby's plight too closely, but know he has been having neck splitting issues with necking down to 375.
Sierra, Hornady and Berger are all claiming to be making several new bullet weights and calibers, heard this at the SHOT Show 2 months ago. How long until we actually see them, well thats anyones guess. I hope they do follow through, as mentioned before, the more the merrier.

Ice Pick If your rifle was made in the US, the chances of getting it back out is near zero, I would proceed with extreme caution on taking it south.
I had a friend who mistakenly flew from here to the UK, via a connector at Dulles, the Homeland Insecurity guys at Dulles seized his 50 despite his having an export permit to take a legally aquired 50 from Canada to the UK.
He was not leaving the airport and in most countries in the world this is considered "in transit"
 
actually its a Prarie Gun Works piece, as far as I know always been made here.
If I was to go odds are I'd drive down, i don't really trust airport employees with the care of my baby.
If there was difficulties with taking it down, I wouldn't, if there was difficulties with bringing it back,,,,,,,,, I'd find a way if I had to walk.

M.
 
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