How many full auto parts can you use in an AR15?
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Just in case anyone is interested.
I contacted dlask months ago about a custom reciever, they will do a custom serial number at an extra charge, they also will do quotes or anything else as an extra charge. I then asked him if he would drill the auto sear hole and mill out the rear like the real deal as an authentic piece, and he said that he would not do that for fear of losing his licence.
I contacted dlask months ago about a custom reciever, they will do a custom serial number at an extra charge, they also will do quotes or anything else as an extra charge. I then asked him if he would drill the auto sear hole and mill out the rear like the real deal as an authentic piece, and he said that he would not do that for fear of losing his licence.
So, to clarify, some suggestions in this thread can make people believe
that is ok to have a gun that has receiver with extra holes
and the FA-FCG in a separate place. Right?
So, what is the difference between that above and a FA gun that is
temporary disassembled (for cleaning or whatever reasons)???
Please educate me...
PS I would guess that the various departments
of RCMP, NWEST, WET (and the rest
who are haunting this board) are reading this thread
with large eyes, a grin on their face and rubbing their hands...
That's correct, they would not drill the extra holes.
But the milling of a large trigger pocket is no problem.
AFAIK, in the last 2 years or so,
they milled only large trigger pockets on all their receivers.
Thats not an auto sear pin hole, the Colt 6930 has a sear block inside and what we see is the big pin that hold the thing in the receiver, that thing was invented by Colt to prevent the installation of a DIAS in their semi-auto AR receivers.
Here is a picture of the real Colt RO634.
You can clearly see the auto sear pin hole.
See also the marking "SMG" on the lower only found on the Semi RO634 and the FA RO635
And the inside with the steel pin.
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Here is a picture of the real Colt RO634.
You can clearly see the auto sear pin hole.
See also the marking "SMG" on the lower only found on the Semi RO634 and the FA RO635
And the inside with the steel pin.
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Now All AR's are fired from the closed bolt position. I understand that the following description is what happens on an AR or C-7.
How do you get a slam fire from an AR? What has been modified to do that? What is driving the firing pin to hit the primer? The bolt has to be fully locked to allow the firing pin the engage the primer? Am I missing something?
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(1) Pulling the trigger rotates the sear and releases the hammer.
(2) The hammer strikes the firing pin and fires the cartridge.
(3) Gas pressure from the cartridge forces the operating rod and carrier rearward.
(4) The cam pin, following the cam in the carrier, rotates and unlocks the bolt.
(5) The case is extracted and the spring ejector ejects the spent cartridge through the opening in the ejection port.
(6) The action of the carrier moving rearward rotates the hammer downward to engage the automatic sear.'
(7) The forward travel of the operating mechanism engages the next cartridge in the magazine and chambers it.
(8) After locking and during the cam dwell, the sear release lever is moved forward by the carrier and releases the automatic sear, which in turn releases the hammer again.
(9) When the trigger is released, the disconnector rotates back to its original position and engages the hammer, stopping all action.
(10) In the Semi-automatic mode and on Semi-automatic model weapons the trigger must be pulled for each round that is fired.
The Bushmaster Weapons System (http://www.biggerhammer.net/armpistol/manual/)
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Um, what did you expect
I was expecting that he may comply, as I was told in this thread earlier that it was legal to have the hole. Now theres a huge contradiction about it thus the current discussion in the thread.
Just a question, he said no, and I wasn't pissed or anything, I now know because I asked. You make it sound like I was upset at the answer.
Here's what I gather from all the posts, trying to make sense of both sides..
If you bought an AR15 from colt or whomever company that sold it as an AR15 even though the reciever is milled out and has the sear hole (its an M16 reciever technically but not labled as such, becuase its using all ar15 parts) and it was registered as such during 2001 from the factory/dealership/person, its legal.
If you make a reciever and sell the receiver alone with the milled out secition and the auto sear hole, it is an M16 reciever because it doesn't come with AR15 parts and thus prohibited.
If someone currently makes an ar15 with an M16 class reciever (a company that already makes AR15's) using only ar15 parts, and stamps the reciever as an AR15 it will be technically an AR15 and can be sold legally even though it can fully support all of the M16 parts. Because the parts are not included, and the sear cannot be bought legally by an individual its a non-prohibited firearm.
yikes, hopefully that makes sense.
If you bought an AR15 from colt or whomever company that sold it as an AR15 even though the reciever is milled out and has the sear hole (its an M16 reciever technically but not labled as such, becuase its using all ar15 parts) and it was registered as such during 2001 from the factory/dealership/person, its legal.
If you make a reciever and sell the receiver alone with the milled out secition and the auto sear hole, it is an M16 reciever because it doesn't come with AR15 parts and thus prohibited.
If someone currently makes an ar15 with an M16 class reciever (a company that already makes AR15's) using only ar15 parts, and stamps the reciever as an AR15 it will be technically an AR15 and can be sold legally even though it can fully support all of the M16 parts. Because the parts are not included, and the sear cannot be bought legally by an individual its a non-prohibited firearm.
yikes, hopefully that makes sense.
It's bad juju through and through.
If you buy a colt with it milled out and sear pin drilled for rock and roll your intent was not to make it that way, you merely bought it.
Milling out the rear and putting the sear hole in for the sake of "curio and relic" is not going to cut it.
It's dangerous ground to tread on.
If you buy a colt with it milled out and sear pin drilled for rock and roll your intent was not to make it that way, you merely bought it.
Milling out the rear and putting the sear hole in for the sake of "curio and relic" is not going to cut it.
It's dangerous ground to tread on.
I dont' understand the desire to put M16 Fire control parts into a semi lower - it doesn't do nothing at all. It is not like I will admire you for your uber cooliness for having M16 parts if you crack your lower open at a range to show off. i hate those people.
The rule is easy - if it comes out of the factory that shoots semi only- then it is legal. They can make a Full Auto Ar15 lower and expoxy the automatic sear in one spot in the factory - technically it is legal in Canada as long as it is the factory does it when it is manufactured. You can do whatever you want to your AR, but if it goes FA, you are going to jail.
On the other hand, if you intentionally drill a sear hole and mill out the shelf of you AR lower, and have a bunch of M16 parts sitting next to it - you are digging a hole for yourself. it is common sense really.
The rule is easy - if it comes out of the factory that shoots semi only- then it is legal. They can make a Full Auto Ar15 lower and expoxy the automatic sear in one spot in the factory - technically it is legal in Canada as long as it is the factory does it when it is manufactured. You can do whatever you want to your AR, but if it goes FA, you are going to jail.
On the other hand, if you intentionally drill a sear hole and mill out the shelf of you AR lower, and have a bunch of M16 parts sitting next to it - you are digging a hole for yourself. it is common sense really.
In my case, the M16 hammer works with a 5.56 and 9mm upper - so it's in. I think the M16 carrier is heavier, so that has some utility.
As for the rest, I agree with you. No utility, limited cool factor.
This is what I'm expecting.
However about the coolness thing, that was not my intention, nobody but me and my closest friends shoot my guns so no one else is going to know. All of my friends except for my girlfriend have guns, let alone know what any of the components mean.
I'll tell you this, I want to use M16 parts cause I can, and its legal and I want to, simple as that.
