Which Rifle 270 OR 30-06

Amphibious said:
strange, then 15 or so moose ive seen killed with factory .270 ammo, all died very quickly. none went more then 50m.


I shot my last moose with 160gr RN Imperial ammo (MV 2300FPS) @ 150yrds. it's went down like it had been hit by lightning.
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Nowhere did I say the .270 couldn't kill moose, or the like, its just that IF you use off the shelf deer bullets to kill moose, then dont be surprised it he doesnt drop like a rock.
I am saying this as the question is coming from a person that is confused about the calibers. You say you dropped the last one with 160 gr RN ammo, well then its obvious you reload. This guy doesn't yet so its apples and oranges. I am just stating the obvious, that for deer, the .270 is king, but for moose the .30-06 reigns supreme. OF COURSE EITHER CAN KILL THE OTHER , but don't mistake me as saying the 270 cant kill moose. I just believe in using THE MOST appropriate BULLET and caliber for the specific job. And for a 1400 LB moose like my last one, I think the responsible choice would be at least a 180 grain bullet, not a 130 grain.
Believe me when I am saying that I am not crapping on your 270. I believe its a great flat shooter, but lets get serious, everyone is gonna defend their favorite caliber to the death, so we can all just give our opinion and move on. I get sick of the pissing matches that occur on an hourly basis on this forum over he said she said. My caliber is better than your caliber. I have seen 5 moose taken with a .243 and 100 grain bullets, Did they die? Yup
Did I think that was the best choice for those guys to use? Nope
Did I say anything to them? No because the law says that is the minimum legal caliber and bullet weight, so whats the use. They says it good enough, so be it. You cant change anyones mind on their personal favorites. All we can do is arm this guy with enough knowledge to base a decision on. Both are good calibers....PERIOD. I just personally think that when a marginal shot occurs, such as animal movement at the last second, that the .30 cal bullets create a bigger wound channel and carry more momentum which often leave an exit wound. This (IMHO) is paramount to guarantee the death of the animal in quick fashion.
 
I am not a huge fan of the .270Win but I disagree with anyone that says it is not adequate for bears, moose, elk. I know a guy that used nothing else for years and he laid out everything he hit with it (he had a few famous misses that we laugh about). Mainly he used factory ammo that came loaded with the 150gr Sierra GameKing.

I do think the 130gr bullets are best for deer, but there's nothing like proper shot placement, and that's obviously the most important part of the equation in any of these arguments.

He has switched to a .300WinMag, which is not an improvement on what he had, IMHO.

If you ask me .270 or .30-06 I will tell you .30-06 every time. :sniper:
 
Seeing as you are in Southern Ontario, .270 is allowed for hunting in many areas around here whereas .30-06 will not be. (.275 and under areas)

Something to consider if you want to hunt coyotes or other game and don't have a small bore centre fire rifle.
 
Well, I have had in the past a .270, several .30-06's (pump,bolt,single shot), and I just really liked the .30 cal's alot better. I always considered 150 to be the minimum ideal bullet weight for moose. I have since sold out to the man and use my .300 win mag exclusively now. The only reason I like it is that it shoots 200 grain bullets at the same speed the .30-06 shoots 180's. I never use ANY bullet under 165 for moose. IF I want to use a smaller bullet than that I will use a different gun. I think every caliber has an Ideal bullet weight. The .308 I believe is 150, the .270 I believe is 130gr, the .30-06 - 180gr, and the .300 mag - 180. I pick the rifle of the day based on the size bullet I want to fly, not the other way around. That way I maximize the weight of the bullet. I say " moose today , I want to hit it with a 180 grainer" That leaves me with 2 options, and I grab the .300 and off I go. When I hunt Caribou in winter, I say " 130 - guess I'll pick the .25-06. " So all this means is that to each their own, I have one set of beliefs about what I think an animal needs to be killed highly efficiently, and others believe differently. As long as you are choosing what you believe is THE BEST ROUND for the game you seek, then I think no one is doing wrong.
 
Amphibious said:
strange, then 15 or so moose ive seen killed with factory .270 ammo, all died very quickly. none went more then 50m.


I shot my last moose with 160gr RN Imperial ammo (MV 2300FPS) @ 150yrds. it's went down like it had been hit by lightning.
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Amphibious now your just being stupid. Don't you realize the .270 isn't powerful enough, and you just happened upon 15 very old moose who had a heart attack when they heard the boom and died. :p
 
Rembo said:
neither...get a 7mm Rem Mag...kicks no more than an '06, shoots 160's at the same speed as most 270's will shoot a 130 or a 140....
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More speed with same weight bullet equals more recoil. There's no getting around the fact that the same weight gun pushing the same weight bullet at higher velocities will kick harder.
 
sheephunter said:
More speed with same weight bullet equals more recoil. There's no getting around the fact that the same weight gun pushing the same weight bullet at higher velocities will kick harder.
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It's funny you say that. My 7mm mag. kicks much less than my 30/06. I think it has a lot to do with stock design.
 
Win/64 said:
It's funny you say that. My 7mm mag. kicks much less than my 30/06. I think it has a lot to do with stock design.
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Felt recoil is a whole different issue. No doubt some guns feel like they kick more or less but actual recoil is a simple calculation.
 
They are both great calibres - I own both. I would lean to the 30-06 for moose. If for no other reason than the heavier bullet selection. However, I have rolled moose down the mountain with a .270 Win and 150 grain factory loads in the past.

IMHO it's a win/win situation
 
If you were to look at a .270 Winchester shooting a 130 grain bullet and a 7mm Mag shooting a 150, (Really, those are the two that compete against each other) there isn't much difference, honest. Lets look at it this way:

I just grabbed my Nosler #6 manual. I'm going to select a medium load from each cartridge. The .270 will send a 130 grain bullet at 3078 FPS. The 7mm will send a 150 at 3075 FPS. The highest .270 is 3158 and the highest 7mm is 3248. (Note I didn't say fastest because Colonal Craig uses that word, and I dispise his writing. :) )

Now, if you run those numbers through my Ballistics Program, I come up with the .270, zeroed at 200 yards will print:

100 1.4
200 0.0
300 -6.4
400 -18.8
500 -38.2

The 7mm will print:

100 1.4
200 0.0
300 -6.3
400 -18.3
500 -36.9

Will a deer or moose or antelope or elk tell the difference between these two? Probably not. Will you notice a difference between these two? On paper, not a chance. In recoil, well the 7mm uses 65 grains of powder, and the .270 only uses 55. So yeah, the 7mm will recoil more and have a louder blast. Will the 7mm do everything the .30-06 will but faster and better? I'm not sure how it will do that when it won't do anything a .270 will do better. Really will any animal you or I may hunt with a .270 or a .30-06 know the difference? Again, not a chance. Both cartridges when using good bullets are both capable of anything we could ever ask. I once traded a handgun for an FN Mauser in .270 with a 3X Weaver scope from an old fellow for my girlfriend. He used that rifle for everything, including grizzly bears. He still had all his skin to show for it too. The end result is you need to choose what rifle you like best, and don't worry about the cartridges. Either will treat you just fine.
 
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pharaoh2 said:
If you were to look at a .270 Winchester shooting a 130 grain bullet and a 7mm Mag shooting a 150, (Really, those are the two that compete against each other) there isn't much difference, honest. Lets look at it this way:

I just grabbed my Nosler #6 manual. I'm going to select a medium load from each cartridge. The .270 will send a 130 grain bullet at 3078 FPS. The 7mm will send a 150 at 3075 FPS. The highest .270 is 3158 and the highest 7mm is 3248. (Note I didn't say fastest because Colonal Craig uses that word, and I dispise his writing. :) )

Now, if you run those numbers through my Ballistics Program, I come up with the .270, zeroed at 200 yards will print:

100 1.4
200 0.0
300 -6.4
400 -18.8
500 -38.2

The 7mm will print:

100 1.4
200 0.0
300 -6.3
400 -18.3
500 -36.9

Will a deer or moose or antelope or elk tell the difference between these two? Probably not. Will you notice a difference between these two? On paper, not a chance. In recoil, well the 7mm uses 65 grains of powder, and the .270 only uses 55. So yeah, the 7mm will recoil more and have a louder blast. Will the 7mm do everything the .30-06 will but faster and better? I'm not sure how it will do that when it won't do anything a .270 will do better. Really will any animal you or I may hunt with a .270 or a .30-06 know the difference? Again, not a chance. Both cartridges when using good bullets are both capable of anything we could ever ask. I once traded a handgun for an FN Mauser in .270 with a 3X Weaver scope from an old fellow for my girlfriend. He used that rifle for everything, including grizzly bears. He still had all his skin to show for it too. The end result is you need to choose what rifle you like best, and don't worry about the cartridges. Either will treat you just fine.
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There is a big difference the 7mm shoots bigger bullets. And the 30/06 even bigger.
 
.277-.284 is .007 of an inch. Yeah, huge difference. :rolleyes:

I never could figure how the pro 7mm guys would always use that argument against the .270 fans.

"The .280 is better than the .270 because..."

"Nah-uh, the .270 is better than the .280 because..."

"Oh yeah? My dad can kick your dad's ass!"


:rolleyes:
 
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