Magazine safety's..Yea or Nay?

Being "ordered" into a situation of obvious threat to ones life and complying is your problem. A smart officer would avoid such situations. I do agree that being swarmed can and does happen. At that point, the firearm should be deployed and done so with great speed and violence of action.

F*ck the legal side of the situation. Your/my life is far more important than keeping a job or worrying about being charged. Survive the fight, then worry about the legal crap.

On a side note. It is interesting to see that only S&W offers magazine disconnects on their firearms. I don't believe any other manufacturer has ever offered such a device.

TDC
 
:popCorn:... Being "ordered" is one thing, but inadvertently finding oneself in a "bad situation" is another. Bottom line, the magazine disconnect is just another option, and to use it or not is up to the individual. ( Believe it or not, but back when the mdl.10 was the standard Police side arm, there were times when the rounds were physically removed from the cylinder ! ) ... David K.;)
 
Wasn't one of the requirements for the new Can. Customs gun the mag disconnect feature?
Seems like a dangerous feature to me. ie. LEO is fighting with a perp duty gun drawn, mag is released and the one chambered round is useless when he really needs it.
 
... The chances of that happening are extremely remote, given the location of the "release" ( RCMP issued pistol ) and design of the holster. ..... David K.
 
TDC said:
On a side note. It is interesting to see that only S&W offers magazine disconnects on their firearms. I don't believe any other manufacturer has ever offered such a device.

TDC
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mozambique technique said:
Wasn't one of the requirements for the new Can. Customs gun the mag disconnect feature?
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I believe that the PX4(Berreta) has a Mag safety. I could be wrong though, its happened before.:D

My M&P has a Mag safety and I feel neutral about it. I doubt I will ever be in a situation that having one would be the difference between life and death.

If I am it will probably be the scattergun that gets the call:shotgun:

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Juster said:
I absolutely loved mag safeties when I kept a S&W 6906 down the front of my pants everyday. The boys would thank me profusely after holstering in the morning. Great for mag in pocket when you are asleep at home with the kids running around.
Good for making safeish when you are really in no condition to think straight.
On the range it doesn't matter, no.
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Actually this is about the best pro arguement so far! Take the clip out in a situation that you absolutely don't want to use it and just insert when you do. Goes from ultra safe to providing protection in an instant.

If you don't require this "feature", get one without it.
 
A totally useless feature for anyone with the faintest skill in gun handling.

Any gun I've ever had with a mag disconnect has had it disabled same day they move in with me. I like all my machinery to work the way I like; I also disable daytime running lights and seat belt chimes on my vehicles.:)
 
Also Browning tri-safety system, several pistols.
The "fire" and "make safe" drills for the BHP are the same except for one step, since there is no decocker. This was the standard BHP accident in Northern Ireland, since you don't get issued empty mags as per pamphlet. One guy got a pencil through the chest, closely followed by a 9mm bullet playing the "shoot me with a pencil" game.

"one chambered round is useless when he really needs it." Only if the gun is badly designed.
The Browning tri-safety (eg 1922) is great, if you keep the grip safety gripped while you remove the mag, you can fire with the mag removed. If you let go of the grip safety, the mag safety kicks in. The BHP might have had that if JMB had lived long enough.
 
Having worked with Dennis, I would have to say I would never own one. Between that and the mag release on the wrong side..... What were they thinking?
 
Mag safety = no thanks...........

TDC said:
On a side note. It is interesting to see that only S&W offers magazine disconnects on their firearms. I don't believe any other manufacturer has ever offered such a device.

TDC
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I'm in no way a fan of mag safeties....

In addition to the BHP already mentioned I noticed that my Star Model BM, which is a 9mm single stack & somewhat of a 1911 'clone' has a mag safety.
 
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Woodsman said:
Actually this is about the best pro arguement so far! Take the clip out in a situation that you absolutely don't want to use it and just insert when you do. Goes from ultra safe to providing protection in an instant.

If you don't require this "feature", get one without it.
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There's a simple answer for your "solution". Pistol beside the bed, mag in pocket. Insert mag then rack slide. Why do people insist on having a mechanical safety device?? Oh right, it was mentioned previously in this thread. POOR GUN HANDLING SKILLS.

One more thing. Its a magazine, not a clip. A little less hollywood and a lot more reality.

TDC
 
I'm intersted in hearing from Leo's and/or anyone who carries or has carried guns for protection of life.Also what kind of training in retention did they receive and how it relates to the mag safety.I know What my thoughts are on the subject but I would like to hear from those others.
 
If I was walking Granville Mall at bar close, I'd probably want one. For what I do with a pistol, I don't even notice.
 
PX4 for CBSA does have a mag safety.

I personally think they're a bad idea overall, as supported by the fact that virtually no police agencies in the USA use them.
 
TDC said:
There's a simple answer for your "solution". Pistol beside the bed, mag in pocket. Insert mag then rack slide. Why do people insist on having a mechanical safety device?? Oh right, it was mentioned previously in this thread. POOR GUN HANDLING SKILLS.
TDC
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OK, rack slide. You emptied the chamber in bed, or in the living room, at 2am? They have a sand trap in the unloading bay for a reason. "Making safe" is a major source of negligent discharge. The mag safety means you never need to unholster. If you have to disable the gun in the washroom, or in a friend's house, when you are exhausted, or as you are lining up to be searched, a mag safety is your friend.
The mechanical safety between the ears is the one that causes 90% of the problems.
Everybody makes mistakes, no matter how upper case your denial is :).
 
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