No bolt and bolt carrier included?

I disagree. Headspacing IS an issue with AR's that is why bolts and barrels should be kept together. Installing a used bolt on a different used barrel is not a good idea.

Top builders like Noveske, MSTN, JTAC fit the bolts to their barrels!!!


To be honest, I really doubt there is much "matching" going on.....and I will venture to say that there is really no matching at all. This is not like a M14 or bolt action they can work on the mating surface between the bolt and receiver.
 
The AR head space is based on the barrel extension, the bolt has nothing to do with it. There may be a slight chance of bolt lugs breaking or damage to the barrel extension but it is highly unlikely.
I have swapped bolts on uppers with thousands of rounds on them and fired thousands of rounds in that state, it simply is not an issue for the average shooter who doesn't fire more than 1K rounds in a year.
That being said it is always a good practice to keep parts that can wear together.
 
The army no longer makes an effort match bolts to weapons. Rare to get the same bolt each time the rifle is drawn from stores.

There may still be some units that do keep track but I doubt they're in the majority.

This is true and we're talking about weapons that have been firing since the 80's and have countless rounds down range. I have an 89 rifle sitting beside me right now and who knows how many bolts have been through it or where the original bolt group is. It still shoots accurately out to 300.
 
This is true and we're talking about weapons that have been firing since the 80's and have countless rounds down range. I have an 89 rifle sitting beside me right now and who knows how many bolts have been through it or where the original bolt group is. It still shoots accurately out to 300.

Sorry, but for forensics, maintenance and other reasons, C7 bolts are marked with a number that matches a specific gun... at least until last year...
 
if you move ar15 bolts around you should have a set of chamber gages. they don't cost much and it is a safety measure. the m14 rifles that were sold here have the serial number on the bolt. this is because the us national guard armories stored the bolts in a safe and the gun locked in the rack.
 
Sorry, but for forensics, maintenance and other reasons, C7 bolts are marked with a number that matches a specific gun... at least until last year...

I beg to differ. I have personally seen my bolt go into a bin and come out a different one. Not to mention I've seen a couple of Colt marked carriers and bolts in service weapons that were NOT original. Maybe it's supposed to work that way but I assure you it doesn't.
 
Well GGFGs, R22Rs, bolt numbers are respected, So are they from deployed troops leaving canada for Nato and UN missions...

Not sure how your regiment handles it...

Reaper, any input ??
 
the m14 rifles that were sold here have the serial number on the bolt. this is because the us national guard armories stored the bolts in a safe and the gun locked in the rack.

The M-14 rifles sold in Canada came from Israel, so the bolt numbering may have more to do with Israeli practice than US.
 
Sorry, but for forensics, maintenance and other reasons, C7 bolts are marked with a number that matches a specific gun... at least until last year...


Like I said in my post some units may make an effort to do this but it is no longer the norm. IIRC some early bolts had the ser# on them but like angry eyebrows said most only have the C or the stylized D on them now.
 
So all of this points to the fact that bolt hogs are either cheap or dangerous?


Most likely just cheap...if you wanna call it that. As stated by someone before, it is much easier to move an upper with a $600 price tag then an $800 one. Not to mention if the seller plans on buying a new upper lots of companies uppers don't come with a bolt group or charging handle.
 
Sorry, but for forensics, maintenance and other reasons, C7 bolts are marked with a number that matches a specific gun... at least until last year...

Maybe so but in the military the serial # is for tracking A and B class parts it has little to do with mating up to a particular firearm
 
if you move ar15 bolts around you should have a set of chamber gages. they don't cost much and it is a safety measure. the m14 rifles that were sold here have the serial number on the bolt. this is because the us national guard armories stored the bolts in a safe and the gun locked in the rack.
M14 bolts are not interchangable between rifles they do wear into that particular rifle and are not easily swapped between other rifles requires a armourer to fit the bolts
 
Security and storage regulations. Been that way with small arms when I started doing the army thing 84, and probably decades before then.

Yeah, can remember them doing that with the C1s,Don't recall if the same bolt [ Breech Block]always got back to the same rifle though,we use to walk around with the damn things in our pockets .
 
:rolleyes: really how many here are going to pay for a over $300.00 or more on top of the price for a incomplete upper so it can come with a bolt and a charging handle. Hands up any one
 
Now, if it was a K98 and all matching that we're talking about, keep the friggen bolt with the rifle and don't part it out! :eek:
 
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