I agree with beltfed on his mount and cheek piece... but disagree with his opinion on scopes, for a range rifle or target rifle it is better to have to much then not enough.... I still stand by a nice 6.5-20x for your rifle.... that way you will be able to spot your own holes at 200 yds or closer no problem.
What's the ideal Scope for a Blackspecial???
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Thanks mrsmitty,
The Elcan Spector DR, I think it needs batteries and that's onething I don't want. When you need it, you don't want Murphy's law showing up.
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I had a 5.5 X 22 X 56 Night Force on my Black Special but found it to heavy for varmint shooting. After about a couple of miles walking the rifle and scope
combo get really heavy. The scope will not quite make out .223 bullet holes
at 300 yds so I changed to a Leupold 8.5 X 25 X 50 long range target with the varmint hunter reticle. I like this scope better because its lighter,shorter,
clearer with more magnification and I can see the bullet holes at 300.
Just my observations.
Bill
I had a 5.5 X 22 X 56 Night Force on my Black Special but found it to heavy for varmint shooting. After about a couple of miles walking the rifle and scope
combo get really heavy. The scope will not quite make out .223 bullet holes
at 300 yds so I changed to a Leupold 8.5 X 25 X 50 long range target with the varmint hunter reticle. I like this scope better because its lighter,shorter,
clearer with more magnification and I can see the bullet holes at 300.
Just my observations.
Bill
Don't know about Spectra, but Aimpoint is pretty much proven to be bombed proof - with the number of aimipoint fielded in the US army entrusted to 18 years old "fresh off the high school" and the ridiculous 8 years of battery life...... Technology had improved leap and bound in the last 7 years. The number of electronic gadgets in the field is ridicolous, time to move with the 21st century!
Personally, I would prefer a manual control illuminator these days. Fibre optics and tritium simply does not allow enough flexibility in controlling the brightness - there are always scenarios that will defeat their "automatic" contrast control
I don't hunt, so I cannot comment on varminting. On the other hand, I have used NF 1-4 with BC2 out to 500 yards with great success against military fig 12. It is not a "precision" belly shooting setup, but the upside is the 1X power allows fast shooting at close range as well.
Thanks and your right Epoxy7,
I would like to start some 3 gun matches and/or milshoot ones. The distances would be from close (2-3 feet) to everything in between till about 500yards (target). That's why I was looking at the NF 2.5-10 x 24 NXS or ZEISS Conquest 2.5-8x32 MC.
Your above statement adds a whole new dynamic.
The demands of that nature on your rifle system will mean a compromise in one or the other, and likely put you somewhere in the middle.
I have three 2.5x10 NXS scopes, and would never consider their use in a close-in three gun competition. For a Service Rifle competition going from 100-500m I think they are at the top of the heap.
If I was putting ONE gun (your Sig) and ONE optic to use for all of the above,
I would look for something along the lines of the ACOG TA31RCO-A4CP, or TA31DOC.
The ACOG will be a blessing at the shorter distances (0-200), but be a hinderance at accurate fire on the longer stuff (300-500) due to a bullet drop compensator that has no adjustment. If your ammo works with the BDC, then you are laughing, but by and large, you will need to figure out where they hit at your ranges with your ammo, and would want to keep that ammo consistant.
Or,
The NXS 1-4. A compromise right down the middle of what you want to do.
A handicap at the shorter stuff compared to the ACOG with a DocOptic, but better for 300-500 yard shooting compared to the same ACOG.
In a one-optic race, it would probably be your best bet.
Or,
Elcan Spectre. Advertised as the solution to your prayers. I have not tried one, and am sceptical that all the bugs have been worked out. Be sure to let us all know how it works for you if you decide to go this way...
Or,
The S&B Short Dot. Due to the cost, I really wouldn't consider the S&B unless I was in a field condition where I could not swap optics. If you consider this route, compare it to buying a decent 2.5x10 and an aimpoint or eotech with quality, repeatable mounts for both optics.
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My friend has a Leupold Mark4 MRT 2.5-8 on his, and it works great for him.
Works well out to 300 yards for grouping, and farther (although not much extended range testing due to lack of ranges with 600+ yard ranges)
Works well out to 300 yards for grouping, and farther (although not much extended range testing due to lack of ranges with 600+ yard ranges)
Thanks bud.
The BDC on the ACOG seems to be made for the ammo I was shooting. So far I tested out to 200m and the bdc was dead on (reverse chevron used for aiming with 55gr win fmj ammo) but I really need to test out to 400m to be 100% sure.
Thanks beltfed,
Guaranteed I'll let you guys know. Once set up I'll post my Little Black Sweety. I'm more inclined to go with the NightForce NXS Compacts but the 2 optic option with one mount well, you never know. I do agree on the S&B = costly. Aimpoint or Eotech = my only concern is battery operated.
Guaranteed I'll let you guys know. Once set up I'll post my Little Black Sweety. I'm more inclined to go with the NightForce NXS Compacts but the 2 optic option with one mount well, you never know. I do agree on the S&B = costly. Aimpoint or Eotech = my only concern is battery operated.
