Making bullets to sell

OK you guys are confusing 'commercial' sale and private sale.

You can legally sell ammunition to your buddy I believe, but if you were to 'box it and sell it in a store front' than you need permits etc.

I think it all depends on the 'volume' of ammunition sold etc.

I see 'reloaded' ammunition for sale here all the time (mostly 38 spcl)

Luke
 
hakx said:
And on rebuttal, the Candidate from NWT - the floor is yours.
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Ok, let's let bear finish his story, because so far it sounds like a capital problem, no whether it would actually fly or not.

So bear, care to shed some light on projected sales/profits? How long to get your investment back?

How are you going to get financial backing without details?:)

I do carry $2million insurance, although not for manufacturing ammo.

This would not be a first in Canada, perhaps your small business loans would be larger if you added some "color" to your company.;) There are lots of different avenues to explore, if you really want to have a go at it. For instance, casinos have been built in areas where casino's can not normally be located. Pretty sure you can even smoke at some of them! To just say " To heck with it, it won't work." is not really your intent, is it?
 
I can be done much cheaper in some respects.. The local guy runs his out of his garage on Dillon machines. There is another, OMA, that runs it from a small commercial location.

But, there are far easier ways of making money.
 
there is a store in london that sells reloaded ammo. not sure how they do it though. the clerk said this guy does a good job.:D I still buy factory untill I start doing my own.
 
I think it all depends on the 'volume' of ammunition sold etc.
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Whether you sell one box or 1000 boxes,you would still be liable if something went wrong with one of your loads that injured someone or damaged property.

I see 'reloaded' ammunition for sale here all the time (mostly 38 spcl)
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You see many things for sale on E-Bay,not all are being sold legally.

I personally would not sell reloaded ammunition without the proper liability insurance and without any permits that may be required.
 
joe-nwt said:
Ok, let's let bear finish his story, because so far it sounds like a capital problem, no whether it would actually fly or not.

So bear, care to shed some light on projected sales/profits? How long to get your investment back?

How are you going to get financial backing without details?:)

I do carry $2million insurance, although not for manufacturing ammo.

This would not be a first in Canada, perhaps your small business loans would be larger if you added some "color" to your company.;) There are lots of different avenues to explore, if you really want to have a go at it. For instance, casinos have been built in areas where casino's can not normally be located. Pretty sure you can even smoke at some of them! To just say " To heck with it, it won't work." is not really your intent, is it?
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My story was finished a long time ago.. I was responding to the fiction the that was being written here about how easy it was to get into and the legalities and permits around it....

Mine certainly was a capital problem... But you can only fight so much... I had a budget which included allowances for overages.. But I didn't have the extra 40K to build the building that they wanted.. And my legs were getting tired of all the hoops I had been jumping through... Someday I'll scan the letter regarding the changes they wanted to my magazine plans..

There were other issues. including some in the industry not wanting the competition...

I'm not soliciting for funds so I'm not presenting a prospectus or business plan here..

I believe there are many waiting for you to respond to the facts and costs in my response...
 
TheGamer### said:
OK you guys are confusing 'commercial' sale and private sale.

You can legally sell ammunition to your buddy I believe, but if you were to 'box it and sell it in a store front' than you need permits etc.

I think it all depends on the 'volume' of ammunition sold etc.

I see 'reloaded' ammunition for sale here all the time (mostly 38 spcl)

Luke
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It is illegal to reload and sell ammo period.

bear. 23:

Let me know when you get back. We should get together.
 
CanAm said:
I can be done much cheaper in some respects.. The local guy runs his out of his garage on Dillon machines. There is another, OMA, that runs it from a small commercial location.

But, there are far easier ways of making money.
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Maybe the BC CFO and ERD guys out there are more lenient... But out here my shop was not acceptable and a garage would never be approved if there was a dwelling withing 70 feet of it...
 
RePete said:
It is illegal to reload and sell ammo period.

bear. 23:

Let me know when you get back. We should get together.
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3 days and I'll be on a plane...
20 hours of flying...
A day in TO with the little guy
a day loading and moving some equipment from my mother in laws
Unload it and sort out all the packages that have arrived in the last 18 months...
and then I get to relax...

SO give me a week or so... and then maybe I need a beer in Renfrew!
 
RePete said:
No sweat.

Are you still in Boulter?
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I will be... Should be a bit of a culture shock. 1 year in Montreal and then 6 months in OZ.


Sorry for the thread hijack... But it seems mr gumpers is looking for brass...
Hello iam looking to buy this brass once fired or new please

270 win
6mm rem
7X57
264 win mag
22-250
243
all others not lised i would like also

I want any type but not boxer primed norma brass win rem etc.. thanks Andrew
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Anyone want to tell him about berdan primers?
 
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Even if it's just hand loads for a friend, if anything ever happened to him, I believe he(or his family) could still sue you, even if no money was exchanged. And don't think 'oh my friend would never sue me.' Many people have thought that.
 
stubblejumper said:
The issue is not making up handloads for a friend,the issue is manufacturing ammunition for sale.

Read away!

http://www.canadabusiness.ca/servle...82097&lang=en&pagename=CBSC_ON/display&c=Regs
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I will admit I was hoping for something a bit more specific rather then a link to the 'firearms act'. what does the act constitute as the 'manufacture' of ammunition? let's say for instance a friend provides me with the parts required for a particular load they like and ask me to build the loads for them because I have the free time and I can do it for them and they want to compensate me for my time involved in that process.

is that the manufacture and sale of ammunition?
 
Mr. Friendly said:
I will admit I was hoping for something a bit more specific rather then a link to the 'firearms act'. what does the act constitute as the 'manufacture' of ammunition? let's say for instance a friend provides me with the parts required for a particular load they like and ask me to build the loads for them because I have the free time and I can do it for them and they want to compensate me for my time involved in that process.

is that the manufacture and sale of ammunition?
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Goto the NRCAN ERD site...

http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/mms/explosif/licen/license_e.html#f_licence



It's not a single point of contact.
ERD will grant you the license to manufacture the ammunition
the CFO will grant you the license to sell it...

and there are all sorts of other folks involved.. Like transport canada (TDG), and other branches inside NRCAN for other permit approvals, testing, storage etc.... I don't know how much as changed in the 4 years since we closed our file..

I think I've given out about as much as I can on this subject if you need more information, don't believe me or want to try it yourself... Please go ahead...

This is your starting point..
http://www.nrcan.gc.ca/mms/explosif/cont/cont_e.htm

Enjoy...
 
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I will admit I was hoping for something a bit more specific rather then a link to the 'firearms act'. what does the act constitute as the 'manufacture' of ammunition? let's say for instance a friend provides me with the parts required for a particular load they like and ask me to build the loads for them because I have the free time and I can do it for them and they want to compensate me for my time involved in that process.

is that the manufacture and sale of ammunition?
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Right at the top of the act it states:

To Whom Does This Apply?

If you are thinking of starting a firearms business, including a museum, you need to know about requirements that affect you under Canada’s Firearms Act.
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Ammunition Businesses

As indicated earlier, the Firearms Act does not require your business or organization to be licensed to possess regular ammunition, but a licence is required to sell or manufacture ammunition.
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Do you believe that loading some rounds for a friend constitutes a business?
 
stubblejumper said:
Do you believe that loading some rounds for a friend constitutes a business?
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  • You getting paid for it? then yes it's a business heck you don't even need to profit and it's still a business...
  • if your buddy loads the rounds on your machine; no it's not a business...
  • does he pay you machine rental now there is a grey area....
  • If you give your buddy a few rounds; then no that's not a business either...
  • If he buys you a beer after the match for the rounds; that too could be a grey area....
But, It's really not that difficult.... in both the grey areas if it's a regular occurrence then they could look at it as an issue... Otherwise it isn't really an issue... Maybe my common sense approach to this isn't this all that common
 
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bear.23 said:
I believe there are many waiting for you to respond to the facts and costs in my response...
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Well it is apparant that the scope of your project was not in the same category as andrew's. So yes, on a scale that you were attempting, I'm sure it could be quite expensive.

But on a small scale, well even CanAm suggests that perhaps it can be done cheaper.

CanAm; So is the guy with his dillons in his garage legal?
 
I have started a big thread here. But I did not know about all the B.S. that was involved ( but hought as much) The only reason I was asking is I see the box of some ammo at $30+ and I know that I can make the same thing on my press at home for about 1/4 the price and it would probably be a lot better too. But this idea will never take off but it is good to know about. I think i will stick to making ammo for my self and my family. Thanks guys, Andrew



PS the brass I am looking for is for personal use only
 
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