Brass slug shotgun rounds. Opinions?

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So here is my thought:

I've been dreaming about african double rifles, but of course, me being the poor bugger that I am, will never be able to afford one of those for the next 20 years. But I do have a nice spanish SxS 12g sitting in the corner, and that got me thinking...

What if a guy takes a brass 12g hull, fills it with pyrodex (to avoid crazy pressures) and seats a slug?

What kind of pressures/velocities would a guy be looking at with a "cartridge" like this? Would the SxS action be able to handle the pressures? (Mine can handle 3" shells, for what it's worth). Any thoughts?

Cheers -Cameron
 
Your Spanish shotgun may have chokes which may not allow a solid brass slug to exit without damaging the gun. Regular lead slugs can pass through a car side to side, what more do you need? There are solid COPPER(REMINGTON) sabot slugs but sabots seem to be more accurate in rifled barrels. Goto ww w.ballisticproducts.com they have 12 gauge lead ball molds, slug molds and loading info for slug and pumpkin ball loads.
 
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i think he means these guys.


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Yeah my apologies, I meant brass hulls with a lead slug seated into them. I've read that the brass will contain pressure better than the plastic hulls, so thusly you could increase your velocities I would think?
 
i dont see how it would make much of a difference - it is the chamber that contains the pressure. the shell is just a gasket.

im no expert - hell i dont even reload - but IMO if you are going to experiment with hot loads you might want to try something sturdier than an old SxS to do it in. i dont watch TV very often, but was flipping channels at a friends house a while back and some gun show was trying to blow up a Benelli by firing 12/20 bursts (forcing cone blocked with a 20ga, with a 12ga fired off behind it). even after several attempts the gun was undamaged, and just blew the entire obstructing 20ga. shell right out of the barrel. i dont think that an old spanish SxS would have held up quite so well. it even suprised the guys doing the test - i guess they expected to blow the Benelli apart to show how catastrophic a 12/20 burst can be.

isnt Remington/Spartan importing .30-06 and .45/70 doubles? or are they not in the country yet? i see them on the Remington site under SPR22.
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hansol said:
So here is my thought:

I've been dreaming about african double rifles, but of course, me being the poor bugger that I am, will never be able to afford one of those for the next 20 years. But I do have a nice spanish SxS 12g sitting in the corner, and that got me thinking...

What if a guy takes a brass 12g hull, fills it with pyrodex (to avoid crazy pressures) and seats a slug?

What kind of pressures/velocities would a guy be looking at with a "cartridge" like this? Would the SxS action be able to handle the pressures? (Mine can handle 3" shells, for what it's worth). Any thoughts?

Cheers -Cameron
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Trying to turn a smoothbore shotgun into a rifle seems fraught with folly. Any bullet you seat in a brass shell will be designed to utilize a rifled barrel as slugs designed for smoothbores have stabilizing fins and would not contain the gas unless a wad was used between the bullet and powder. It also depends on the choke you have as to whether it is even safe to shoot slugs. Here's a crazy idea, why not just buy some preloaded 12ga slugs, provided you have the appropriate choke of course?
 
Oh it's not an "old" spanish SxS. It's a Lanber something-or-other with modern steel barrels and 3" magnum chambers. That being said, it is still a shotgun, so I can't mess with super-high pressures.

and those spr22's have been supposedly "being made" since 2005... I have yet to see one. But that would certainly be the way to go if they did indeed exist
 
Haha well don't get me wrong, I know full well this is a crazy idea, but nonetheless I tend to do crazy things like this.

I don't want to use regular plastic slugs, because they certainly lack the "cool factor" of pulling out a brass "cartridge".

The shotgun in question doesn't have chokes, it's just a smooth bore. I can't remember the term for "no chokes", so I apologize.
 
hansol said:
Haha well don't get me wrong, I know full well this is a crazy idea, but nonetheless I tend to do crazy things like this.

I don't want to use regular plastic slugs, because they certainly lack the "cool factor" of pulling out a brass "cartridge".

The shotgun in question doesn't have chokes, it's just a smooth bore. I can't remember the term for "no chokes", so I apologize.
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You still have the issue of finding a projectile that will stabilize in a smoothbore and contain the gas in a cartridge.
 
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wouldn't a regular foster-type slug seal properly?
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Not without a wad I wouldn't think. Never tried it but it would seem to me that the stabilizing fins would get in the way. Overall length would seem to be an issue as well unless you seat the projectile fully inside the brass hull.....thus reducing the cool factor.
 
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manbearpig said:
... but was flipping channels at a friends house a while back and some gun show was trying to blow up a Benelli by firing 12/20 bursts (forcing cone blocked with a 20ga, with a 12ga fired off behind it). even after several attempts the gun was undamaged, and just blew the entire obstructing 20ga. shell right out of the barrel. i dont think that an old spanish SxS would have held up quite so well.
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I did that with an old CIL 12g pump to have a prop to show when I teach the firearm safety courses. After 2 firings it was still fine - still had a full choke too. Surprising just how tough some of those old guns are.
 
i dont watch TV very often, but was flipping channels at a friends house a while back and some gun show was trying to blow up a Benelli by firing 12/20 bursts (forcing cone blocked with a 20ga, with a 12ga fired off behind it). even after several attempts the gun was undamaged, and just blew the entire obstructing 20ga. shell right out of the barrel.
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I shortened an old Winchester pump about 10 inches once by having the first round not creating enough pressure to push the wad out of the barrel resulting in the second round actually blowing the barrel right apart. There was no pushing the wad out the end!
 
Gatehouse said:
And you are giving advice?

;):D
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Hey, there are those that learn from their mistakes! :D

Had the mallards not been getting away so fast I might have checked the barrel for obstructions after the initial "whooosh" but I was hungry and it never crossed my mind that the wad was still still lodged in the barrel! Now common sense trumps the rumblings in my tummy everytime! :D
 
Well thanks for all the input so far guys. You all know more about this stuff than I do, so it is nice to be able to bounce ideas off people who know about these things.

I never really thought about the over-all length of the rounds either... this is a conundrum.
 
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