This would lbe ike letting the world what guns/inventory you have in your house.
I'm sure he'll keep its confidentiality to certain few or even himself & Troy only.
Think of it as copyright
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This would lbe ike letting the world what guns/inventory you have in your house.
I'm sure he'll keep its confidentiality to certain few or even himself & Troy only.
Think of it as copyright
Mr. Marksmen, if Rick were a one man show, I guess he'd have to know a lot more about CNC milling but he's not and besides the local CNC support he has is extensive to say the least so if all we're doing right now is accumulating the right tooling and materials to get set up for cutting our own actions in the future, why don't you just sit back, relax and see what ATRS has to offer to the Canadian public. Our machine is no secret but to get into all the boastful details of what it is and what it can do without showing product is like getting a full blown custom gun and not showing up for any competitions, fun shoots or even posting results of how great it actually works much like your User Name for example.
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Congratulations Rick, Its crazy that certain people on here feel you should prove yourself and your company to us, before even talking about these kinds of things. Your rep. and your guns speak for themselves, nuff said.... I feel fortunate to have a company like yours close by for obvious reasons... advice, new innovative products at my finger tips and product support. please keep us posted......
Parker-Hale Mike
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I am not sure what you mean here, but if it is what I think it is.
Marksman has shot more matches than either yourself or Rick...........
If you think about it, you have actually shot at the same match as him.
Now be nice to each other boys.......
Steve David
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Ok, so am I to understand that because one has shot more matches, that allows them to be an a**hole and pretty much hijack and honest thread? Rick has been up front about this from the start, never once denied or made attempt to mislead any of us, and still not sure were the rumor BS came from, how can there be a rumor with complete honesty.............?
Parker-Hale Mike
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Ok, so am I to understand that because one has shot more matches, that allows them to be an a**hole and pretty much hijack and honest thread? Rick has been up front about this from the start, never once denied or made attempt to mislead any of us, and still not sure were the rumor BS came from, how can there be a rumor with complete honesty.............?
Nope, that's not what I am saying at all. I was just replying to what I thought was Troy calling a guy out as a poser for not competing.
If I misread what was happening, I'm sorry.
There had been rumour out in B.C. exactly as Marksmen said.
I don't know from where it originated but it has been talked about by some.
Oh Well, as you were.
BigUglyMan
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Was "Maverick" even on my poll???
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Sorry Buddy it was in this mess of a thread/trolling expedition, not your poll.
But thanks to Jayph the actions, both being produced by Glenn for me and the 1s we make here, when we are up to speed, now have a name.
ok dokely
I'm sure there will be a MAVERICK in the near future for me, in either 260AI or hey MAYBE a .408 Cheytac...... We shall see....
Kudos to Rick for trying to supply the CANADIAN public with a quality alternative......
I/We support Rick and ATR 100% in all his ventures, as his stuff is top notch, no bull$hit... It is what it is.
Marksmen, what is the difference WHERE the first batch comes from??? Hey, I get parts made for pumps, and I outsource them.....We could do them at work, but we get others to make them, they are still "OURS" as they are to OUR design, spec and we do our own QA/QC on them..... No different than MANY products made and labelledm specifically for a company by another.
MAYBE your just jealous....As you have a 4 axis CNC lathe at your diposal, but obviously don't have the cajones that RICK has in his new venture.
If you really gave a $hit, maybe you wouldn't trash talk, and would support a local business instead of running off at the mouth.
Oh yeah this of course is my humble opinion and nothing more.
I'm sure there will be a MAVERICK in the near future for me, in either 260AI or hey MAYBE a .408 Cheytac...... We shall see....
Kudos to Rick for trying to supply the CANADIAN public with a quality alternative......
I/We support Rick and ATR 100% in all his ventures, as his stuff is top notch, no bull$hit... It is what it is.
Marksmen, what is the difference WHERE the first batch comes from??? Hey, I get parts made for pumps, and I outsource them.....We could do them at work, but we get others to make them, they are still "OURS" as they are to OUR design, spec and we do our own QA/QC on them..... No different than MANY products made and labelledm specifically for a company by another.
MAYBE your just jealous....As you have a 4 axis CNC lathe at your diposal, but obviously don't have the cajones that RICK has in his new venture.
If you really gave a $hit, maybe you wouldn't trash talk, and would support a local business instead of running off at the mouth.
Oh yeah this of course is my humble opinion and nothing more.
The ultimate goal
If a quality action is available in 2 months (instead of waiting for 6 months through the border), I do not care who is making it or which part is made by whom. I just want the rifle so I can shoot.
I personally like the idea of using "available" aftermarket parts (just in case Rick decides to retire - hopefully not in the near future). I think it is always nice to have options.
Just my 2 cents.
If a quality action is available in 2 months (instead of waiting for 6 months through the border), I do not care who is making it or which part is made by whom. I just want the rifle so I can shoot.
I personally like the idea of using "available" aftermarket parts (just in case Rick decides to retire - hopefully not in the near future). I think it is always nice to have options.
Just my 2 cents.
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So how is it that how many matches I have shot over the last 52 years that I have been into any sort of competitive shooting is common knowledge?
I find it interesting that so many people know so much about me, or others for that matter, yet in fact know nothing.
Marksman if it is that damned important to you to know what I have in the shop, come and see for yourself, show me how adept your CNC prowess is, who knows you might get a job offer, otherwise we can all live without your B.S. I normally take people at face value, my question is , if you have the machines and the talent, why are you not making actions yourself?????
A smart guy knows when to ask for help in life , and I have asked some of the very best in this business for help to get my dream off the ground.
I would wager between the generous assistance of Glenn Harrison, Glen Seekins, Dave Kiff, Dave Mansen, Mike Rock, the staff at SAIT, Modern Tool and a number of others who wish to remain anonomous, the chances of succcess in this venture is very high. I have bet the farm on it.
Why not wait for a finished product and then slag it on it's merit, rather than rumours?
Parker-Hale Mike
CGN Regular
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Relax brother,
I don't have a dog in this fight. I am just a guy on the sideline watching who happened to interject because I saw your terrier about to bite somebody who wasn't in your yard. If you want to crap on Marksmen prove him wrong about what he is saying.
Initially things weren't clear as to who is making what for whom and why. Now you have made everything crystal clear and I am totally satisfied with the explanation and I am not even a purchaser.
Good on you.
sorry but you are wrong all reputable CNC shops always list their equipment and capability.This would lbe ike letting the world what guns/inventory you have in your house.
I'm sure he'll keep its confidentiality to certain few or even himself & Troy only.
Think of it as copyright
Sorry
Rick, I just really find it strange your paranoia about this. I just wanted to clear this up the rumors, thank you for that. As to making my own action. I did a lot of work on this and I found that there isn't enough market in Canada. 50,000.00 machining center needs work. 100 actions is a weeks work. Then what? Your price point is quite high for high volume in my opinion.
I know Glen Harrison, used to shoot br in tacoma with him. does great work, thus I own a Nesika. I also know Dave Kiff, have been doing business with him for 12 years. His shop just made me a beautiful bolt, I hope you are using them. As to the guys at Sait, great school but Im a BCIT guy. Don't know anyone from there.
Sorry I offended you and you thread.
Steve David
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Oshawa, Ontario
Marksman,
Are you for real??????
What the hell is wrong with you. You are the one that came into this thread spewing garbage about rumors and all the BS that has escalated to this. For christ sake, Rick came in here and right from the get go and was 100% honest. Yet still after seeing and reading exactly the truth, you continue to talk crap. Take him up on his offer, go show him how it is done if you know so much.
Parker Hale Mike,
Rick has to prove nothing to Marksmen, he has been 100% up front from the beginning. Like really, what is the issue here. Rick is going to build a first rate kick ass action right here in Canada. The initial units will have assistance, as clearly explained several times, but obviously some people need to learn how to read.
Now, can we get back to the reason for this thread, Ricks action......!
I am curious as to why there would be a 2 month wait for an action? If I read things correctly you are assembling an action from outsourced parts? are you still going to one-off them or order runs of parts and have an inventory per-se? I would assume you would have an inventory of parts on hand so why the 8 weeks?
Sorry if I am asking a question already answered but I did not want to wade through 14 pages of replies, most of which have no value.
Sorry if I am asking a question already answered but I did not want to wade through 14 pages of replies, most of which have no value.
Mike, as for your comment, if Marksmen would introduce himself as who he is and not come off in his original posts like a bit of a dyck (I'm sure he'd agree) then we could have a logical thread that would make a lot more sense then a bunch of user names calling each other out.
It sounds to me like there is a group of guys from B.C. that aren't particularly fond of Alberta Tactical Rifle and my advice to you guys is to get over it and move on and move forward because if you guys can get over whatever it is that plagues you, I think this forum will become stronger as a result. I don't care what your issue is and I think that showed at this years BCRA match with the amount of guys that came from Alberta and beyond the take part. I'll continue to promote your event so in return I only ask the same.
Or
Those of you that want to make it clear they're you have something to proove to Alberta Tactical and it's friends, state your names and make it clear who you are. That way when we come to matches and fun shoots we know who not to associate with or provide service to. I like to know who doesn't like me and that way I can make it personal when I shoot against them wherever it may be.
ENOUGH SAID.
To move this topic along a little more, something a lot of people who have purchased custom actions in the past find out is that with specialty actions coming from pick your place on the globe, getting parts or service is getting harder and harder. If your bolt fails because of the lack of heat treating or the action doesn't feed properly because in manufacturing they ran the locking lug through the feed ramp or whatever, you're looking at wait time and dealing with the Canadian distributor a lot of times is frustrating because he's just the middle man unfortunately. Now by us being the manufacturer and the support for this product, we'll be able to make changes if nessessary and from the people that have dealt with us, our service to the customer is something that we work very hard at.
It sounds to me like there is a group of guys from B.C. that aren't particularly fond of Alberta Tactical Rifle and my advice to you guys is to get over it and move on and move forward because if you guys can get over whatever it is that plagues you, I think this forum will become stronger as a result. I don't care what your issue is and I think that showed at this years BCRA match with the amount of guys that came from Alberta and beyond the take part. I'll continue to promote your event so in return I only ask the same.
Or
Those of you that want to make it clear they're you have something to proove to Alberta Tactical and it's friends, state your names and make it clear who you are. That way when we come to matches and fun shoots we know who not to associate with or provide service to. I like to know who doesn't like me and that way I can make it personal when I shoot against them wherever it may be.
ENOUGH SAID.
To move this topic along a little more, something a lot of people who have purchased custom actions in the past find out is that with specialty actions coming from pick your place on the globe, getting parts or service is getting harder and harder. If your bolt fails because of the lack of heat treating or the action doesn't feed properly because in manufacturing they ran the locking lug through the feed ramp or whatever, you're looking at wait time and dealing with the Canadian distributor a lot of times is frustrating because he's just the middle man unfortunately. Now by us being the manufacturer and the support for this product, we'll be able to make changes if nessessary and from the people that have dealt with us, our service to the customer is something that we work very hard at.
