Bushnell 6500 Elite 4.5-30 mounting and review

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Howdy to all out there. I'm writing this review for anyone interested in the newest line of bushnell elite scopes. Personally when I saw the billing 4.5-30,(they also have a 2.5-16) my reaction was the same as everyone else i have ever told the scope specs to, "to thirty????". Yes to thirty. I had to have one! So I casually swung by wholesale sports in edmonton, where they politley replied, they were sold out of the 4.5-30 model, dang.

Not to be deterred I hopped on the motorcycle and took a cruise to lethbridge under the guise of visiting a friend, little did he realize my ultirior motives for coming. They had one, just one. Out of the box it is a big scope, at 21 oz, 50 mm objective and a 30mm main tube, and 13.5 inches long. Supplied in the box are also a 5" sun shade and various bushnell propaganda. The scope is exceptionally clear through out the magnification range, to a point. I didnt expect it to make it all the way to 30 and not get fuzzy, and I was right, it loses some clarity at about 26 power and requires the use of the handy side paralax adjust to bring out some of the clarity and a little diddling on the focus to make it clearer at high power, shucks, oh well.

The reticle on mine is billed as the fine multi-x, it is a shade lighter than the standard bushnell multi x reticle, though still slightly thicker than a leupold fine duplex. It is also available in mil-dot, it wasnt when i went to buy one so I wound up with a fine multi-x and a cunning plan. Shucks again.

I mounted the scope myself on my existing leupold bases, with new 30 mm rings, it displaces a leupold vari-x II 4-12x40. The rifle is a remington sendero in 300 wm, due to the heavy contour I went with the medium high 30mm rings, and the mounting is just right, a lighter contour barrel might do it with plain mediums, thats just a guess though! The rifle and scope are intented for hunting purposes, but I also like to play with coyotes that think they are safe.

First impression while mounting, the bushnell is fairly forgiving about the eye relief used throughout the power range, again once you hit about 26 power your head has to be just right to get the picture, most under that its like looking at a HD LCD TV, seems clearer than the real world. The sun shade would overwhelm the looks of many rifles, as would this large scope, but on the sendero they go well together.

Now onto my cunning plan! Since they did not have the mil dot I decided i would set the scope up with plenty of adjustment room, (the knobs are finger adjustable, audible clicks, 1/4 moa and they have a neat feature where you pull the know out and can reset your 0 mark without any allen keys or tools). I achieved this by turning the elevation know down to bottom out, then came up one rotation, giving me plenty of down if i needed it for sighting in. This also allowed me plenty of up adjustment for long range shooting.

But how will you sight in with the scope already set? Easy, eyeball it! Borsighting is fun and easy to do on your own, and you dont need lasers or really any expirience, leupold style bases are great for this;). sandbagged in the rifle at the range, pulled the bolt out and eyeballed down the tube to the 100 yard target I had set out. The rear base on the leupold bases allows you to get most of your left and right taken care of. just swing the rear with the screws till the crosshair is in the middle of what you've eyeballed down the tube, then just tighten it in place.

But what about up and down? Well, what I wound up doing was picking up some 10 thou brass shimstock (easy to cut to size), with the average base to base length 1 thou shimming equals about 1 inch at 100 yards, not an exact science here but its close. I stuck in 10 to start, snugged the rings and fired 2 rounds at the 50 yard target. They were 5.5 inches low at 50, meaning 11 at 100. so I slacked off the rings and stuck in another 10, snugged down and fired 2 at 100. 1 inch low and 2.5 inches left. My math worked out! Not bad for eyeballin it. I then used my turrets to tune in to shooting the center for left and right and went up to 2 inches high at 100.

After that was done I sighted the rifle for dead on at 250 yards and reset my turret zeroes. this covers me for hunting easily, I push 165 gr hornady sst's to about 3075 for great accuracy and deadly effect. on deer sized game the max point blank sight in technique lets me place crosshairs and pull the trigger out to 350 or so without having to think much, which is nice in a pinch. anything farther than that you usually have time to work with anway, rangefinders are also good to have if you want to play the long range game.

If you want to figger out your max point blank, go to http://www.biggameinfo.com/BalCalc.aspx with applicable knowing about your loads and bullets, punch em in and it tells you, also it does handy range cards up.

I would recommend this scope to anyone who was looking for a scope that can fill a wide array of tasks, the mil-dot would undoubtably be good for varminters, the lower powers up to about 10 great for the average deer hunter, the higher powers are great for people who know how to use them. These scopes are probably the brightest I have ever encountered and put you into the relm about arguing with yourself over what you can see and what the legal shooting times are. Target shooters would probably prefer a finer crosshair and the fuzziness at extreme magnification could become a problem for perfectionists. Its not a nightforce, but it is a spectacular scope in its own relm. For further product info check out the bushnell websight, real handy cause you're already online!

hope this helps, and also sheds light on simple self shim jobs
 
I have the 2.5-16 on my varmint rifle, couldn't begin to express how delighted I am with it.
 
For either of you, do the turrents have hash marks on the inner sleeve?

Pics of the exposed turrents would be great.

Also, does the image resolution get a bit worse at the extremes of the knob adjustments but the best when the turrents are centered?

Thanks for the report guys.

Jerry
 
Jerry
Mine does not have hash marks, took my a while to figure out what those were.
As far as the resolution versus extreme changes in the turrets goes, I really couldn't tell you, I am a hunter, not a scientist. I bought my scope, installed it, tuned it in, threw it in my truck, carried it through the bush and laid in cold, wet grass waiting for my target to appear, shoot it with extreme precision and then reverse the above mentioned steps, plus a good cleaning when it comes home. I really never took the time to crank the dials to the limit to see if there would be negative effects.
I range with a rangefinder and use holdover to hit my target, in the field/bush there is seldom time to twist and turn things unnecessarily, the things I hunt never stop moving long enough to experience the convenience of lack of movement and predetermined distance.

Here are the turrets, each side and one with the caps on. This is on my Tikka varmint, chambered in a speedy and explosive little .204. :)

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Oh man just when I think I have things all worked out someone has to post a thread like this...

Now I need new scopes again... :mad:
 
It's unfortunate that the elevation turret does not have hash marks to indicate revolutions; it would have opened up another market for this scope; ......F-Class......
 
I don't know about the hash marks but my 4.5-30s are very nice scopes, clear and bright and the crosshairs move when adjusted properly and you can walk your groups around the target and bring 'em back exactly,click for click...that's what i want in a scope.
 
Pyd, thanks for the pics and a nice rig. I am sure it smacks them critters very nicely.

What I was concerned about is indeed true, there are no hash marks on the turrents. Yes, they could be added in manually but why would someone drop the ball like that on a step that costs them a few pennies.

Yes, they have pretty much negated any useage in the LR shooting sports/hunting. Without these hash marks, you can't return to zero if you have been dialing around for various distances.

The execs at Bushnell seem only concerned with the short range hunting market and leaving everything else open to their competition. What a shame.

Jerry
 
JC, you are absolutely correct but many consumers are going to shun this scope because of it. I have been a Bushnell fan for a number of years and am continually frustrated that they keep dropping the ball on their new products.

They could easily rival makes like Leupold if they just got their product design and marketing on the right page.

But as one Bushnell exec said, we sell all we want so see no need to change how we do things....

Maybe that exec works/worked for Ford/GM.

Jerry
 
What I was concerned about is indeed true, there are no hash marks on the turrents. Yes, they could be added in manually but why would someone drop the ball like that on a step that costs them a few pennies.

Jerry


My guess is that the scope is designed and built by Japanese Engineers, not hunters or shooters. There are pros and cons to each situation I suppose.
I do know without doubt that this scope is built to last and if turrets are in your future they are a simple and cost effective addition that are simply added after the purchase.
Find a scope that can go from 2.5 to 16 X zoom with no change in eye relief, water proof and fog proof, side focus and affordably priced, adding turrets marks is a simple procedure after that.
Looking at it from a different perspective, take a Leopold scope with turret marks and then try to get a side focus added after the purchase. ;) Then comes the Bushnell Rainguard..
My point is that it has the most features available from an initial purchase point of view. You can try a Zeiss as mentioned but you lose 3 out of 5 features that make a scope worth looking at..
Again, my experience is based on hunting, like the original poster inquired about.
 
My guess is that the scope is designed and built by Japanese Engineers, not hunters or shooters.

Absolutely correct. They would not miss out on something so intrinsic to the usefullness of the product. It was speced that way or a manf error that is not being recalled.

Been using Japanese made scopes from the 80's and never has there been an omission in the various brands/scopes I have used.

As I said before, I am a huge fan of the top end Bushnell because of the value (price vs performance) is head and shoulders over many US brand products.

However, myself and others (some consult with Bushnell) have been pleading for years to get more marketable products. The execs listen to a point and do come out with some great new products but they seem to always miss the fine points that really hurt their sales/acceptance in the market.

I am speaking about a corporate culture thing not about the quirks of an individual product. I have no doubt that the 6500's are superb.

But its like buying a Porsche and getting mini van style all season tires. Of course you can change the tires but.....

Jerry
 
Bushnell 6500 report

Great reporting Pyd.
I have been comparing the 6500 series Vs VXIII's and trying to decide. I own several Leuppies, and happy w. most of the features, esp. the warranty. It's only the lack of hash marks on the 6500's that annoy me. Other than that the 6500's are very comnpetitive pricewise.
Nice 204 you have;) Been thinking of getting a 20cal. Not sure which yet, maybe 20Vartag or 20 Tactical. another research/evaluation quest. :)

Again, good reading and coments from Mystic too. Agree w. all your points, guys.

Cheers,
 
6500 2.5x16x50

all I can say is wow!!! You have to get one to see what a improvement over the 4200 or the 3200 this scope is. Mine is mounted on my 7mm UltraMag and looks perfect on there. Crystal clear optics. I would put it up against a VX 3 for clearness & sharpness. I had aBaush& Lomb 3000 4x12x40 on my old gun and i thought that was clear. You have to see it to believe it. Thank you Busnell.
 
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