Help me chose...Three gun match black rifle..

JohnC said:
not to be a schmuck but it would be less controversial if you removed the word "assault" from the thread title. we have enough antis on this site and no sense giving them any ammo (so to speak:rolleyes:) to use against the site
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You're right, cringed after I read my initial post.
 
667 said:
Yeah.... unless squeemish match directors dictate that you're not allowed to load more than five rnds.
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I allowed 10 rounders at my last match but I think I will go with a 5 round rule next time.

Not because I'm squeamish, but because I want a level playing field for all the shooters, regardless of equipment. It's expensive enough of a sport without forcing guys to buy different mags to stay competitive.
 
Stevo said:
I allowed 10 rounders at my last match but I think I will go with a 5 round rule next time.

Not because I'm squeamish, but because I want a level playing field for all the shooters, regardless of equipment. It's expensive enough of a sport without forcing guys to buy different mags to stay competitive.
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I don't buy this mentality. A 10 round mag is no more an advantage than a guy running a low mag optic(like my accupoint:D) against others with zero mag CCO's or irons. Same goes for fixed vs. collapsible stock. There is a certain amount of gear related advantages that are available to everyone. The guy who practices more often also has an unfair advantage over the guy(s) who can't afford to. On that note, I've seen a fair number of high dollar tricked out rifles and/or pistols that didn't win the match. In fact, many never ever placed.

I borrowed one 10 round mag from a buddy for a starter mag on one stage at the Lethbridge three gun. Other than that I use 5 round magazines and I don't notice any difference, I still placed. Gear advantages only go so far, you the shooter still have to be able to run the gear to be competitive.

TDC
 
stormbringer said:
Why on earth would anyone do that?

An SKS with stripper clips is plenty fast.

9mm ARs are allowed.
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If you're proficient with your equipment, you could be pretty fast with anything. Hell, when i first started shooting 3 gun, i used an o/u for sg and a sks for a carbine because that's what i had. I had no problems keeping up.
It's totally bs not allowing 10rnd mags.
 
Hey would a CZ Skorpion (CZ91S) be legal for the "carbine" portion? AND the pistol portion? Hee Hee.

Damn I wish I had more than 2 mags... (AND they're pinned at 5 for some stupid reason)
 
Stevo said:
Come on. If a stage calls for 14 rounds, you don't think one reload vs. two is an advantage?
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There's no doubt fewer reloads is an advantage. However, if said shooter with the 10's can't hit sh*t it doesn't much matter. A skilled shooter with 5's will have no issues out scoring the guy with 10's. The advantage offered by 10's or any other mechanical device is available to everyone, its called gaming. The use of full capacity mags by an LEO during a match would be an unfair advantage.

TDC
 
I use a CX4 in 9mm and use the same mag holders as my IPSC pisol rig.

As for the 5-10 round limit arguments, I suggest strongly to take a hands off attitude. If you paint yourself into a corner with 5 round rules, what are you going to do with the guy bringing the Garand or the lever action.

Equipment races limit themselves.
 
TDC said:
The use of full capacity mags by an LEO during a match would be an unfair advantage.

TDC
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Which is why LEO's run 10rds in IDPA like everyone else.

You guys are really making too much out of this. Is it a shooting competition or an equipment race you're looking for? When I said I was "considering" a change to a 5 round rule, it was to help level the playing field. To make it more about the shooter than the equipment.

If that's not your cup of tea because you're a serious competitor, that's cool.
 
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Stevo said:
Which is why LEO's run 10rds in IDPA like everyone else.

You guys are really making too much out of this. Is it a shooting competition or an equipment race you're looking for? When I said I was "considering" a change to a 5 round rule, it was to help level the playing field. To make it more about the shooter than the equipment.

If that's not your cup of tea because you're a serious competitor, that's cool.
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I hear where you're coming from. Lets face it, the folks who drop serious coin into their gear and look for the small advantages are usually the serious shooters anyway. Everything you use and everyone's skillset may or may not be an advantage. That's the reason for the competition to determine who really is the better shooter. As I mentioned earlier, there are those who run high dollar rigs and still can't score well enough to be a threat to the serious competitors. As much as gear is an advantage, its still the operator running the gear that manages to squeeze every bit of potential out of it. Great glass, zero recoil breaks and 10 round mags are only an advantage if the shooter can maximize the potential.

TDC
 
the AR type using the 10rd pistol mags is trump for IPSC rifle,...I chose to sell off my rifle to finance my purchase of an XCR,..similiar to an AR, but non-restricted so I can use it for Varmint hunting as well.
 
For what it's worth, there might be further reaching "idealistic" reasons for allowing the use of 10 rnd AR/Beretta mags. I would argue that it shows that sport shooters can be "trusted" to safely use "high"(er) capacity mags without all babies and puppies in a 5 mile radius dying a horrible graphic death. If we limit OURSELVES to 5 rnd mags, we are in effect saying "they" are correct and that we only "need" low rnd mags.
 
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