U.S. Model of 1917 Eddystone

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I was looking through the gun cabinet and thought to share some pictures here. The receiver is marked U.S. Model of 1917 Eddystone. The fonts are really clear. It looks like one of the good ones to me. It is the 30-06 one of course. I wish my camera was a little better, maybe it's me? :p

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Very nice...now...cut down the bbl to 20", saw the forearm off, just on the muzzle side of the grooves....carve your initials into the butt with a dull bayonet.....then.......
 
Very nice...now...cut down the bbl to 20", saw the forearm off, just on the muzzle side of the grooves....carve your initials into the butt with a dull bayonet.....then.......
not to forget to scratch your SIN on every part of the gun with a construction nail...
and then add a red dot sight for action shootings...
 
I know you are kidding, this is Milsurp.

Actually it is quite useful. You can hand it to the beginning hunter who hasn't bought his own yet. The thing is rugged. Alvin York probably just butt ended all those guys. :dancingbanana:
 
Actually, my first big game rifle was a bubba'd P-14. Shot my first deer with it in '72. As a matter of fact, I still have it.....wished it looked like yours!!
 
I don't want to stole this thread but instead of starting a brand new one with a similar title, I decided to continue on this one.

It is in the same way of my ''Let's play...'' thread where I try to identify some rifles. This one is very easy to identify however, there is very few information regarding different models and all that. I would like to know if any of you have more info about this rifle? Any website of whatever. What I have found actually is not quite interesting...

Thanks.

Martin











 
The US Rifle, Model of 1917 did not have "other models" apart from a tiny handful of experimentals, none of which were ever allowed out.

The rifle itself is an adaptation of the British Pattern of 1914 rifle, an Enfield design which was manufactured on contract at three arsenals in the USA during the Great War. The P-'14 was a .303" rifle using our standard rimmed cartridge, but the action was long enough and certainly massive enough that it was adapted quite easily to handle the US .30-'06 cartridge, a cartridge which operated at almost 10,000 psi higher pressure. The M-1917 has the distinction of being manufactured at the highest rate EVER for a full-power traditional battle rifle: Remington's EDDYSTONE ARSENAL in Pennsylvania (where this rifle was made) actually made the completed rifles at a rate of FOUR THOUSAND PER DAY, plus spare parts, in the late-Summer of 1918.

They are a powerful, rugged, reliable and VERY accurate turnbolt rifle which is built on a very heavyweight action derived from the 1895 Mauser. They have only a single weak part in the entire rifle, and it is a part which may be changed in a few minutes if you have spares. If spares no longer exist, you can substitute a half of a coil-spring from a retractable ballpoint pen for the culprit: the ejector spring in the spring box/bolt stop at left-rear of the receiver. Almost THREE-QUARTERS of American overseas troops in the Great War used the Model of 1917 in combat, even though the rifle was a substitute for the official 1903 Springfield. These same rifles served again throughout the Second World War in American, British, Canadian, Free French, Free Polish and other formations. They are the UNSUNG heroes of BOTH World Wars.

"Hatcher's Notebook" contains an excellent chapter on the manufacture of these rifles and you can find a very complete treatment on the designing and experimentation during which the rifle took shape in "The Lee-Enfield Rifle" by Major E.G.B. Reynolds (1960). Copies of both books may be downloaded for study, free of charge, over at milsurps dot com.

The immediate ancestor of the M-1917 was the British P-'14. The immediate ancestor of the P-'14 was the P-'13...... which was designed to be the ULTIMATE Bolt Rifle.

Historical and interesting enough?

It's one of the VERY best and MOST interesting.

Good luck!
 
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Wow, thank you so much smellie! This is the kind of info I was looking for... In fact, this is way more than I was expected.

Did you say four thousand per day, like 4000/day??? I mean 4000 per day, it's a lot of rifles in a single day!!!

Anyway, thank you very much, it was very educative.

Martin
 
Yes, four thousand a day. I spelled it out in words because a "0" is so easy to drop or add on.

I have two of these in my own collection, both Eddystones. One is September 1918, the other is November 1918. The serial numbers are very close to a quarter-million apart.

In the RCAF in WW2, the rifle was known as the "Eddystone Rifle" because so many were marked as being made there. My father carried Eddystones on guard duty at what now is Brandon Airport in 1940, again with 133 FS at Boundary Bay and Tofino, BC on Coast Watch after his regular work as an Aircraft Instrument Technician. In each case, they were allotted exactly 5 rounds of ammunition. At Boundary Bay, the instruction was, "If the Japs land, fire 5 rounds and run like hell!" The reason? Those 5 rounds per rifle were all they had. Once Number 4 Rifles started coming out of Long Branch it was different because they could use outdated Browning ammunition from the Hurricanes.

The Canadian Government actually printed a Manual for these rifles during WW2. The official Canadian name of this rifle during WW2 was the "P.-'17", although collectors who call it such still are being "corrected" by people who insist on calling it by its official American name. In Canadian Service, it was the "P.-'17".

Not all Canadian-issued P.-'17 rifles were marked, although a number of specimens marked "RCAF" in electro-pencil have turned up and a few specimens marked with the "C-Broad Arrow" are known. Most, though, seem not to have acquired Canadian markings.

Hope this helps.
 
I am fortunate to own a P14 and a P17 , both shoot really nice , but the P17 is a tack driver , even with my tired old eyes ,
one is Remington and the other a Winchester
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The 5 groove enfield rifling is one of the best ever designed for accuracy. Coupled with this beefy action it's a very impressive firearm.
 
Here are some photos of a Canadian issued P/M17 with Canadian markings. This one still has the remnants of the red band painted around the fore stock to clearly indicate that it is chambered for .30-06 as opposed to .303. There is also a photo of an original Canadian .30-06 ammo box.

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As an added bonus, here is a photo of some British Home Guard boys with their red banded P/M17s

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I have a Winny and a Remmy '17, and an ERA '14.....great guns.
The '14 has a 4 digit serial number... Kind of neat.


 
@ Hitzy:

Yours is 5,000 higher than mine, Hitzy..... but you have the correct BOLT!

LOTTA difference, right there!

Nice piece!

Thanks for showing.
 
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