7mm Rem Mag vs. 270 Win.

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350 Mag said:
What claim did I make...aside from the fact that the 7mm Mag has +500 ft. lbs more energy at the muzzle than .270?...it does?
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Yo7u rclaim is that it has 500 ft lbs and that it is a big difference. Yes, there is a difference with the mathematics, but is there a difference on game?


I guess it would make absolutely NO difference what so ever.
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Given equal shot placement with the same bullet, it may make a bit of difference or none. An animals reaction to a hit from a .270 probably won't react much differently to the 7mm, given the exact set of circumstances.

They should have NEVER invented the 7mm Rem Mag. It offers NOTHING over a .270!:confused:
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It shoots flatter at longer range and can handle heavier bullets, that is it's main advantage. At grizzly hunting range, and considering the bullets we have these days, there probably isn't much difference between the 2.



Might as well say everything above 30-06 or .35 Whelen is not neccesary either that includes all the WSMs, NEW Ruger compact Mags, 375 Ruger, RUM's or any of the other cartridges introduced in the last 10 years are totally overkill and not neccesary!:D
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A guy can do it all with a .270/30-06/7RM/280 and good bullets. The bigger cartridges offer some advantages at times, though.
 
Well I think that the guide may have meant that the .270 and 7mm were basically identical when it comes to hunting grizzly's and I can see why he said it. Both will kill a grizzly, but neither will effectively stop a grizzly intent on getting to you. Both will hurt it, until it kills you...

So they are identical in that scenario, you need a bigassed gun to stop a charging grizzly, but you can kill a grizzly with just about any centerfire rifle out there.

Troutseeker
 
Might as well say everything above 30-06 or .35 Whelen is not neccesary either that includes all the WSMs, NEW Ruger compact Mags, 375 Ruger, RUM's or any of the other cartridges introduced in the last 10 years are totally overkill and not neccesary!
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You probably could say that for North American hunters but it sure would be boring not having new calibres and guns to shoot. More of the reasons to buy any of the new calibres are in our head than for practical reasons but when has practicality entered the equation? You need to quit analyzing calibres that offer similar real-world performance as it's pointless once you get in the field. 7STW is still faster though...:p:p:p:p
 
troutseeker said:
Well I think that the guide may have meant that the .270 and 7mm were basically identical when it comes to hunting grizzly's and I can see why he said it. Both will kill a grizzly, but neither will effectively stop a grizzly intent on getting to you. Both will hurt it, until it kills you...

So they are identical in that scenario, you need a bigassed gun to stop a charging grizzly, but you can kill a grizzly with just about any centerfire rifle out there.

Troutseeker
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LOL,

So we have went from simple ballistics....to hunting Grizzly....now we are defending against charging Grizzly.

I give up...

No more measurebating...

This must be dissapointing for all those hunters that carry a 7mm Rem Mag afield each year....they have NO idea they are waaaaay over-gunned and basically just burning more powder for no real world advantage.

I wonder why the 7mm Rem Mag is popular at all?
 
You might as well add to the list of USELESS cartridges.

.300 Win Mag.

A 30-06 Ackley Improved will push a 180gr bullet to within 100 fps of .300 Win Mag.

Using the same theories that would make the 30-06 Imp equal to the task at taking ANY Big game in North America...making the .300 Win Mag an unneccesary cartridge.
 
Any-who.....back to the thread.

A belted magnum will always out perform a historical chambering, even if only marginally. I like the .270 Win. 'cause I own one. I wouldn't turn my nose up if I was handed a 7mm RM, STW, RUAM.

The end result is meat in the freezer. I don't think the animal has a prefence as to whether its gutted by a .284 dia bullet at 3200 fps, or a .277 dia bullet @ 3000 fps.
 
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350 Mag said:
This must be dissapointing for all those hunters that carry a 7mm Rem Mag afield each year....they have NO idea they are waaaaay over-gunned and basically just burning more powder for no real world advantage.

I wonder why the 7mm Rem Mag is popular at all?
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I doesn't dissapoint me at all because I couldn't care less. I've been hunting with the 7mm RM for +20 years. A bad hit with a .270 Win is a bad hit with a 7mm RM. A good hit from either and you fill your tag.

You are too hung up on numbers. Those energy numbers are a marketing dream. They are used to sell you something you don't need.

Look at a 45/70 with a 400gr Barnes original at 1900fps. At 50 yards it has 2972 ft-lbs of energy. Your 7mm load has 3105 ft-lbs. Do you think the 7mm has some advantage over the 45/70 at that range?

The person who said there isn't a dimes worth of difference between the two probably sees more grizzlies in a year than you have in your entire life. Not only that, he has actually shot them too. Being that he lives in the Yukon he has a far better chance of being stomped into the ground than someone in Saskatchewan. Guess what he and his wife have used for moose numerous times? A .358 Winchester. Compare that round to either the 7 or the .270 and it will fail miserablely in the numbers game. I guess he has been very very lucky.

Regular folks like you and me should listen when people like Ted talk. His info comes from decades hunting in the wilds of the Yukon, not a book or magazine. He knows what he is talking about and I for one appreciate and respect the wisdom and knowledge that the old timers bring to CGN.

In fact, when I wanted to step up to something bigger I listened to Ted and some other wise folks here and followed their recommendations very closely. I wasn't dissapointed.
 
Throw my 2 cents worth in on this one.

7mm mag is over kill on most close shots and causes a lot of bloodshot meat.

It's design was for longer range, where the 7mm mag shines.
The 7mag covers ground that a lot of hunters are looking for in the balistics charts but unfortunately the game is shot at close range and considerably damaged.
A designer caliber if you will. It looks good from any angle but does it make a diff shooting a 270 or 45-70 at 100 yds. Nope. No difference at all.

For the sake of argument, I know a bear guide in north Saskatchewan that wont let you hunt with a rifle bore smaller than you're baby finger, and for good reason.
You dont have a rifle like that unless you know whats good for the game you're hunting.:D
 
For the sake of argument, I know a bear guide in north Saskatchewan that wont let you hunt with a rifle bore smaller than you're baby finger, and for good reason.
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Then he must have very small fingers.:rolleyes:Cartridges such as the 7mmremmag or 30-06 are perfectly suitable for black bear hunting.
 
stubblejumper said:
Then he must have very small fingers.:rolleyes:Cartridges such as the 7mmremmag or 30-06 are perfectly suitable for black bear hunting.
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Come on now. What would a client think:

1. Sure you can use your trusty 7x57 on the bears up here; or
2. Woah there fella. You are going to need some serious medicine to anchor one of our brutes. Better bring a ___ Magnum or bigger.

It's all marketing.
 
1899 said:
Come on now. What would a client think:

1. Sure you can use your trusty 7x57 on the bears up here; or
2. Woah there fella. You are going to need some serious medicine to anchor one of our brutes. Better bring a ___ Magnum or bigger.

It's all marketing.
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I use sharp-stick now for Bear....which suprisingly kills them just as quick as a bullet.:D

In the past I have used my 350 Mag, which was a near MINT M600, some lucky fellow on this site bought it from me this year.

I have used 7mm Mag as well.

But, my goto/favourtie gun if I were in a Bear stand will ALWAYS be my .444 Marlin with 300gr handloads.

I have never hunted Grizzly but was under the assumption BIGGER is always BETTER.
 
7mmlefty said:
Throw my 2 cents worth in on this one.

7mm mag is over kill on most close shots and causes a lot of bloodshot meat.

It's design was for longer range, where the 7mm mag shines.
The 7mag covers ground that a lot of hunters are looking for in the balistics charts but unfortunately the game is shot at close range and considerably damaged.
A designer caliber if you will. It looks good from any angle but does it make a diff shooting a 270 or 45-70 at 100 yds. Nope. No difference at all.

For the sake of argument, I know a bear guide in north Saskatchewan that wont let you hunt with a rifle bore smaller than you're baby finger, and for good reason.
You dont have a rifle like that unless you know whats good for the game you're hunting.:D
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Bloodshot meat is more a function of bullet design and where the animal was hit than calibre. I always get a chuckle when people say a calibre is over kill.
 
SuperCub said:
......... and high velocity.



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To a point but even then, bullet design and location of the hit has way more to do with it. Zip a TSX through the ribs at 3,000+fps and never touch bone and you aren't going to have bloodshot meat. Hit a deer in the shoulder with a Nosler Ballistic Tip going sub 2,000fps and you'll lose half a deer.

Granted, same hit with same bullet, velocity makes some difference but not nearly to the degree as the other factors.
 
sheephunter said:
To a point but even then, bullet design and location of the hit has way more to do with it. Zip a TSX through the ribs at 3,000+fps and never touch bone and you aren't going to have bloodshot meat. Hit a deer in the shoulder with a Nosler Ballistic Tip going sub 2,000fps and you'll lose half a deer.

Granted, same hit with same bullet, velocity makes some difference but not nearly to the degree as the other factors.
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x2 Last year I skinned a deer that had been hit with a 180gr TSX at 3250 fps, there wasn't much bloodshot. I've seen far worse with partitions, ballistic tips and power points...
 
350 Mag said:
You might as well add to the list of USELESS cartridges.

.300 Win Mag.

A 30-06 Ackley Improved will push a 180gr bullet to within 100 fps of .300 Win Mag.

Using the same theories that would make the 30-06 Imp equal to the task at taking ANY Big game in North America...making the .300 Win Mag an unneccesary cartridge.
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Heck, the 30-06 Springfield is up to taking any north american game....You don't have to Ackleyize it.
 
7mm mag is over kill on most close shots and causes a lot of bloodshot meat.

It's design was for longer range, where the 7mm mag shines.
The 7mag covers ground that a lot of hunters are looking for in the balistics charts but unfortunately the game is shot at close range and considerably damaged.
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This is just BS. If you use a 7RM, .270, 30-06, .280 25-06, etc don't want bloodshot meat on close range shots, don't shoot meat. Shoot ribs, and/or use a well constructed bullet.

7mmlefty said:
For the sake of argument, I know a bear guide in north Saskatchewan that wont let you hunt with a rifle bore smaller than you're baby finger, and for good reason.
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I wonder how he would explain his "good reason?" Something like "I don't have much knowledge of how bullets work, so use a big gun cause my grandpa did":)
 
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