Just venting!

Kenny, you assume too much about the OP and the situation. Just because you are a land owner, as many others are, doesn't mean you are the authority on the situation.

OP did nothing wrong shooting a deer wherever he was or the deer was. Deer was shot on land he could hunt on. He was on land he could hunt on. Don't assume the OP is in the wrong just because.

The land owner had NO RIGHT to allow the deer to rot. The second she gave him permission to finish off the deer on her property she gave him the right to harvest the deer IMO. I would have dragged it off her land, she could call all the fish cops in the world, I don't care.
 
Bigbones139 said:
Hilbillyreefer i am hunting in Montague twp just outside of merrickville Ont
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Yuppyville!! No wonder. You wouldn't have that problem 20 years ago when it was ALL hillbillies.

I hunt just up the road in Augusta. Most people there would help you find it, drag it out and clean it!!
 
I don't know the laws in your area but in Sask it is illegal to knowingly allow an animal to go to waste. People can be charged for doing what this lady did. She may have been able to claim the deer but she would have to have phoned th CO's to come and get it so it could be used.
 
Aries- said:
call the mnr tell them she has an untagged doe she shot on her property :)

if people want to be pricks i can think of lots of ways to be prickish back to them :)
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OH I love that spin!!

Anonymous call. (There's a poacher living at x-y drive. I've seen her shooting deer on her property and leaving them to die because they eat her merigolds.
Dig deeper, I doubt she even has a firearms license)
 
I am totally amazed at how many posters got right up on their "holier-than-thou" stump and proceeded to pass judgment on Bigbones when his statement clearly indicates he was hunting on land he had a right to hunt on, and did not interfere in any way with the adjacent landowner's requests, nor did he go on her property with being accompanied by her, with her approval [whether willing or begrudgingly given] We often hunt on land that abuts "No Hunting/No Trespassing" posted land. If an animal makes it onto the land that is posted after being shot, you have zero options but to get the landowner's permission to retrieve it. In some areas, the CO will intercede in such issues if retrieval permission is refused. Obviously in others, they will not. I am glad to hear that the deer did not go to waste, but to berate the hunter in this situation is asinine. Regards, Eagleye.
 
MagnumPeanut said:
Kenny, you assume too much about the OP and the situation....

The land owner had NO RIGHT to allow the deer to rot.
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I may assume too much, just like you and the OP assumed she would just leave it to rot. FYI, in his most recent post he said she had her uncle tag the deer and take it. Not really the anti-hunter or irresponsible landowner many assumed her to be.

MagnumPeanut said:
The second she gave him permission to finish off the deer on her property she gave him the right to harvest the deer IMO. I would have dragged it off her land, she could call all the fish cops in the world, I don't care.
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I agree with you on this one. Once he had care and control of the deer with the finishing shot he shoud have taken it back to the property for which he had permission.


Perhaps I did assume too much, but I have had a crappy fall around my place with road hunters and trespassers, so I have zero sympathy based on my past experience. As a hunter I know that instances like the one BB outlined is why land gets posted, shooting within a 2 min walk of the neighbours house, shooting deer on the property line, having the attitude the person is a ##### because they don't want you on their property, etc. I refuse to post my land because I will give permission, but it has to be asked for ahead of time, not when hunters get busted. Unfortunatley many hunters seem to think because I have no signs it is an open invitation.

Heres another example of what i have seen this fall, Last week I busted a truck full of guys shooting out of their truck from the road into another neighbours field, past his no hunting sign. When I stopped to ask what they were doing they said they had permission. I said great, I'll give them him a call, whats your name, but he wouldn't tell me. Then I said that I would have to call MNR about shooting out of the truck. They took off after I got the plate number. I called it in.

Anyway, apparently getting a deer trumps property rights for many of you so I am done with this thread.
 
It was a bit of a pickle. On one hand you have a land owner that like me has probably had more then her share of yuppies trespassing to hunt. On the other it was likely clear that the animal jumped over after having been shot outside of her property. Then there is the rule about not allowing harvested game to rot if found... yikes.

I guess the best you could hope for was that she would realize it wasn't shot on her property and allow you to retrieve it once you had asked.

Probably a call to a CO immediatly would have been good, but who knows. Particularly given the odds of one actually showing up in your lifetime.

Sh*tty all around.
 
Kenny_G2 said:
From your story it sounds to me that you were standing around smoking rather than going to her house to ask permission. If you had been making an obvious effort to go and ask permission right away perhaps she would have said yes.

Glad the deer wasn't wasted so perhaps she isn't such a ##### as many here claim she is, you certainly like to thow that word around a lot, even when she obviously took care of the deer in a responsible manner (not letting it rot). Sounds like she is just like most rural property owners and has to deal with people going on her property without permission.
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Yes i was having a smoke before i retreived it as we were trying to decide whos house to go to and needed to ask the property owner that we were hunting on who owned it! There was clearly no trespassing signs and we didnt trespass so her reason for being pissed was what? Oh she ASSUMED like you!
 
Kenny_G2 said:
I may assume too much, just like you and the OP assumed she would just leave it to rot. FYI, in his most recent post he said she had her uncle tag the deer and take it. Not really the anti-hunter or irresponsible landowner many assumed her to be.



I agree with you on this one. Once he had care and control of the deer with the finishing shot he shoud have taken it back to the property for which he had permission.


Perhaps I did assume too much, but I have had a crappy fall around my place with road hunters and trespassers, so I have zero sympathy based on my past experience. As a hunter I know that instances like the one BB outlined is why land gets posted, shooting within a 2 min walk of the neighbours house, shooting deer on the property line, having the attitude the person is a ##### because they don't want you on their property, etc. I refuse to post my land because I will give permission, but it has to be asked for ahead of time, not when hunters get busted. Unfortunatley many hunters seem to think because I have no signs it is an open invitation.

Heres another example of what i have seen this fall, Last week I busted a truck full of guys shooting out of their truck from the road into another neighbours field, past his no hunting sign. When I stopped to ask what they were doing they said they had permission. I said great, I'll give them him a call, whats your name, but he wouldn't tell me. Then I said that I would have to call MNR about shooting out of the truck. They took off after I got the plate number. I called it in.

Anyway, apparently getting a deer trumps property rights for many of you so I am done with this thread.
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Again for your info i DID NOT shoot anywhere near her house.. I did not mean for the deer to jump her fence! I apologized up and down it did.. I did not trespass in any way! And she is a ##### because of the attitude and ignorance she presented even though i was calm cool and totally apologitic! And she did trespass on property not owned by her to tell me not you! And i am in the wrong how?

I also understand your frustration with people hunting out of vehicles and shooting animals on property that isnt there! But i have hunted this same field for 5 yrs and harvested 9 deer out of it without incident.. And infact she is an anti hunter it was the authoritys hassling her that made her call her uncle to tag it, And yesterday i harvested a buck out of the same field and again within 2 mins of the gun shot she was there again TRESPASSING and telling me what a ass i am for shooting these poor deer. This time i wasnt so apologetic! Thank you for your assumptions!
 
44fordy said:
Yuppyville!! No wonder. You wouldn't have that problem 20 years ago when it was ALL hillbillies.

I hunt just up the road in Augusta. Most people there would help you find it, drag it out and clean it!!
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I hear that... Some of my family owns pretty much the last 1/4 mile on carleys corner rd just aways before n augusta i am thinking of axtually asking if i can hunt there with them next year as i can see this property becoming a hassle.. And you are absolutly correct! When i was a kid growing up people in or around that town were extremly freindly helpfull and courteous and well no it has deffinatly changed... Change isnt always good!
 
sjemac said:
1. stepping onto taboo property for a few moments

or

2. leaving an animal I've killed to rot

I know which one I would consider the greater sin.
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This is a very tough situation, not so much if the landowner wasn't right there, and even less if the land were unfenced and not posted.

Personally, I'd have a harder time with the "leaving a dead animal thing" than I do with the legal aspect. Killing an animal and leaving it just gets to me, badly...
I was all bummed because I couldn't find a duck I'd shot. I trudged around the marsh till past dark lookin for the little fella. (Waist deep too).

If I were in the scenario you were in, there'd be a really good chance I'd be charged with something as I couldn't leave an animal I killed to lay there and rot.
 
It fortunatly with influence from authoritys didnt rott. But did marinate in a gut shot for 4-5 hrs first... Hope she gets a good feed!
 
44fordy said:
This is a very tough situation, not so much if the landowner wasn't right there, and even less if the land were unfenced and not posted.

Personally, I'd have a harder time with the "leaving a dead animal thing" than I do with the legal aspect. Killing an animal and leaving it just gets to me, badly...
I was all bummed because I couldn't find a duck I'd shot. I trudged around the marsh till past dark lookin for the little fella. (Waist deep too).

If I were in the scenario you were in, there'd be a really good chance I'd be charged with something as I couldn't leave an animal I killed to lay there and rot.
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Well what can I say...The landowner was totally RIGHT .:D
You have No right to trespass on someone else property fenced or unfenced, posted or not posted PERIOD END OF STORY!!
The landowner has neither a responsibility to recover nor utilize a dead game animal on their property. It is the hunters
responsibility to ensure that the animal is shot and can be recovered on the property that they have access to. Do not put the
blame on the owner for your mistake. Sure you can ask for permission to get an animal, but its their decision.
And to somehow suggest that if the landowner isn't around its OK to retrieve a downed animal...ethics out the window.:confused:
Again this year opening morning of deer....gut pile right on the other side of the fence...drag marks from our land under fence. HuMMMM I wonder what happened?
NOTHING P!SSES me off more than other "hunters" thinking they can shoot what they want/where they want just because no one is around. :mad::mad::mad:
 
Bigbones139 said:
Apparently as i was told by Law enforcment they cannot force her to give up the deer..... Or force her to do anything with it and I actually thought of sneaking in when dark and stealing it but was told i would be charged with theft and tresspasing... I am dumbfounded at this point!

And yes ski911 she was trespassing to tell me not to!!..

Hilbillyreefer i am hunting in Montague twp just outside of merrickville Ont
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Under the Ontario Fish and Game Act it is illegal for anyone to let the edible flesh of game animal be wasted. Think you could have had some recourse if it happened the way you tell it.

Theft??
 
beefman said:
Well what can I say...The landowner was totally RIGHT .:D
You have No right to trespass on someone else property fenced or unfenced, posted or not posted PERIOD END OF STORY!!
The landowner has neither a responsibility to recover nor utilize a dead game animal on their property. It is the hunters
responsibility to ensure that the animal is shot and can be recovered on the property that they have access to. Do not put the
blame on the owner for your mistake. Sure you can ask for permission to get an animal, but its their decision.
And to somehow suggest that if the landowner isn't around its OK to retrieve a downed animal...ethics out the window.:confused:
Again this year opening morning of deer....gut pile right on the other side of the fence...drag marks from our land under fence. HuMMMM I wonder what happened?
NOTHING P!SSES me off more than other "hunters" thinking they can shoot what they want/where they want just because no one is around. :mad::mad::mad:
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I wonder, is it possible the same thing as what happened to the fella who started this thread. Shot it on his side, deer jumped the fence and they retrieved it. Would you rather they let it rot because it crossed the fence??

It always amazes me that people think they own wildlife.

But hey, lets keep on giving the antis ammo to fuel the war against hunting as cruel, unethical due to lost game.
 
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archie126 said:
Under the Ontario Fish and Game Act it is illegal for anyone to let the edible flesh of game animal be wasted. Think you could have had some recourse if it happened the way you tell it.

Theft??
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I think that the term "anyone" is implied to mean the person who shot/harvested the animal/fish.
It does not refer to the property owner who finds a dead game animal.
Theft...never. Trespassing...yes
 
archie126 said:
I wonder, is it possible the same thing as what happened to the fella who started this thread. Shot it on his side, deer jumped the fence and they retrieved it. Would you rather they let it rot because it crossed the fence??

It always amazes me that people think they own wildlife.

But hey, lets keep on giving the antis ammo to fuel the war against hunting as cruel, unethical due to lost game.
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I don't think I own the wildlife at all....But the land which they inhabit is own farm. Do you want to recover your deer...ASK PERMISSION. Simple :)
But that doesn't mean I'm going to give it. I want to see WHERE you shot it. If there are no casings/blood/hair on YOUR side of the fence you are SOL. Too bad...so sad :p.
I will trail/recover the deer myself. You want to play with fire....your going to get burnt.

It really amazes me that people think they can hunt wherever they want.
 
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