Canadian Edition P22 Fake silencer fit 5" barrel

[G37]

If you want it... make it

The way I see it, it's a Restricted firearm already (your not out and about)... people are going to hear "BANG, BANG, BANG!" at the range and then look like an idiot if they declare it a silencer.

Chance of Police coming to get you... very unlikely.

Now, if the Police ever visit your home to search your firearms, you might have some explaining to do. Chance of this occurring? Only you know

 

[Suputin]

people are going to hear "BANG, BANG, BANG!" at the range and then look like an idiot if they declare it a silencer.

Just cause a device doesn't eliminate a certain portion of the muzzle blast does not mean it is not a silencer. There is no limit for sound reduction specified in Canadian law. Thus if the authorities can show a device reduces muzzle blast by a single decibel, then that device could be declared as a silencer and you will get to find out what happens to people who possess prohibited devices in contravention of the law.

If you don't understand how silencers are tested then the authorities can walk right over top of any "common sense" argument and you have no chance at all of winning in court.

 

[ponts]

Just cause a device doesn't eliminate a certain portion of the muzzle blast does not mean it is not a silencer. There is no limit for sound reduction specified in Canadian law. Thus if the authorities can show a device reduces muzzle blast by a single decibel, then that device could be declared as a silencer and you will get to find out what happens to people who possess prohibited devices in contravention of the law.

If you don't understand how silencers are tested then the authorities can walk right over top of any "common sense" argument and you have no chance at all of winning in court.

You are out to lunch, listening to your logic is painful. A fake silencer merely extends the barrel length with a solid tube of steel and does not muffle the report of a firearm. According to you just about anything attached to the end of a barrel of a firearm "could" be a silencer.

I suppose this below could "possibly" muffle the report and does indeed look much like a silencer. This shotgun is widely available in Canada and sold by our board sponsers. In fact there are many dealers selling fake suppresors as well.

 

[Suputin]

A fake silencer merely extends the barrel length with a solid tube of steel and does not muffle the report of a firearm.

And you are 100% certain of this? Not even by a single decibel?

Cause I have tested silencers to the proper MIL spec using the correct equipment and procedure and I can assure you that an empty tube will indeed suck up at least a few decibels.

According to you just about anything attached to the end of a barrel of a firearm "could" be a silencer.

Potentially yes. That is how our law is written so that the authorities can take as narrow or broad a view as they like. US law includes a minimum 3dB limit where ours does not. Several muzzle brakes have been classed as silencers by the ATF. If a muzzle brake can affect a 3dB change in the muzzle blast then a 6 inch long tube can certainly be classed as a silencer by a Canadian court.

What our system chooses to class as a silencer or not is entirely up to them. The law pretty much allows anything to be described as such because there is no minimum dB reduction.

So what I am saying is you are taking your chances with a "fake" silencer. Maybe it will be OK, maybe it won't. Nobody really knows and it highly depends on the cop who lays the charges and the judge who hears the case. Maybe you will get away with it maybe you won't.

What I do know is that the penalty for possessing a prohibited device will include giving up your licence and all your guns. So in light of that, does it really make sense to have a fake, wannabe silencer?

 

[22lr]

A fake silencer merely extends the barrel length with a solid tube of steel and does not muffle the report of a firearm.

It is simple - solid tube of steel increase volume hot gases expand to by roughly about 200% (we are talking P22 with 6" barrel) and as result pressure drops by same 200% and by the same token concussion wave energy. It is still loud but report is reduced and therefore you are into pissing match with authorities. I totally agree with Suputin, a little bit of impersonating James Bond doesn't not worth the potential trouble.

Legalisation of real suppressors would get my vote though.

 

[gallen270]

Potentially yes. That is how our law is written so that the authorities can take as narrow or broad a view as they like. US law includes a minimum 3dB limit where ours does not. Several muzzle brakes have been classed as silencers by the ATF. If a muzzle brake can affect a 3dB change in the muzzle blast then a 6 inch long tube can certainly be classed as a silencer by a Canadian court.

What our system chooses to class as a silencer or not is entirely up to them. The law pretty much allows anything to be described as such because there is no minimum dB reduction.

So what I am saying is you are taking your chances with a "fake" silencer. Maybe it will be OK, maybe it won't. Nobody really knows and it highly depends on the cop who lays the charges and the judge who hears the case. Maybe you will get away with it maybe you won't.

What I do know is that the penalty for possessing a prohibited device will include giving up your licence and all your guns. So in light of that, does it really make sense to have a fake, wannabe silencer?

'Potentially' is the key word. and the man is right. technically any device that muffles the report of a firearm could be deemed a silencer. like firing through a culvert in a ditch. law doesnt say how much it has to muffle it.

i think fake's are ok. but you could get haggled by over-zealous cops and hung by an anti judge. its very unlikely, but anything is possible.

 

[ponts]

And you are 100% certain of this? Not even by a single decibel?

Cause I have tested silencers to the proper MIL spec using the correct equipment and procedure and I can assure you that an empty tube will indeed suck up at least a few decibels.


Potentially yes. That is how our law is written so that the authorities can take as narrow or broad a view as they like. US law includes a minimum 3dB limit where ours does not. Several muzzle brakes have been classed as silencers by the ATF. If a muzzle brake can affect a 3dB change in the muzzle blast then a 6 inch long tube can certainly be classed as a silencer by a Canadian court.

What our system chooses to class as a silencer or not is entirely up to them. The law pretty much allows anything to be described as such because there is no minimum dB reduction.

So what I am saying is you are taking your chances with a "fake" silencer. Maybe it will be OK, maybe it won't. Nobody really knows and it highly depends on the cop who lays the charges and the judge who hears the case. Maybe you will get away with it maybe you won't.

What I do know is that the penalty for possessing a prohibited device will include giving up your licence and all your guns. So in light of that, does it really make sense to have a fake, wannabe silencer?

Here's and idea submit one to a CFC Firearms tech and let them make an official ruling since you are so concerned. Until then if it is readily available and sold at stores throughout Canada I don't see any issues.

 

[c_diddy]

How do you even see the sights with that eyesore on there??

 

[Strangeday]

you can order them from the US for $15.00 plus $5.00 for the adapter