Canadian Manufactured 7.62 x 51 Semi Auto

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I don't have time to read the whole thread to see if my wants have been mentioned so I'll list them here.

- non-restricted
- Uses M14s/M305 magazines
- System which allows for a folding stock
- Scopable

Those are essentially all the things I want in a semi-auto 7.62x51. I know that describes a Norc M14s almost to a T, but I don't like buying Chinese! I'll certainly buy a Made in Canada product for nearly any price under $2000.
 
Savage said:
Remember that FRT's are only a Reference and are not the most reliable in terms of data and are sub jet to error
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In order to have a registration cert issued it must have an FRT #. New ones are created by the registry techs from time to time such as a JP Sauer 3000 drilling in 16ga over 22 hornet which will appear in the on line FRT shortly. If that semi only AR-10 mentioned is real it has to have an FRT # to have a registration certificate associated to it.
 
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greentips said:
Also, you better setup the infrastructure to deal with return and warranty work. I guarantee the first 100 rifles would be riddled with problems. No one has ever got the first batch right.
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Don't forget Insurance as well.. assuming you can find an underwriter who will give you insurance ;)
 
severus said:
my group owns three manufacturing plants in North America,
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hate to be a downer on this party, but reality must be checked..

when you say "your group" I take it you are not the sole owner, (assumed) and since you are not, then you have to take into account a lot of other business related issues.. (partners, shareholders, investors looking for return in $$ etc)

Eg. Risk and liability.. what happens when the first gun blows up and kills someone. Do the other partners or owners want to take this risk? do they have the insurance coverage, and the costs associated? Do they want risk being sued by a "gun unfriendly" general population and government? do they want to comply with the government regulations on a firearms manufacturer? etc.

don't get me wrong, I like the idea, BUT thinking about the business aspects may show that this is not feasible.
 
I actually have a line on Israeli made rifle parts that you could use as well, things like Galil stocks, maybe even barrels etc. They are cheep to buy but you need to buy lots.
 
Add to my last that I agree with the multitude of others in that you should build off an already proven design. Once you have mastered that then developing a new rifle design would be much easier. Also 7.62x39 would be a much better option then a hard to get caliber cause people want to shoot their rifles much more then look at them.
 
I suppose a 7.62x39 chambering would be better for a semi-auto tactically orientated rifle, it's still so damn cheap! Although the Czech surplus won't last forever, nothing does. At that point 7.62x51 might be more viable... I'm just rambling on here. My primary reason (read excuse to myself) for buying the rifle would be for white tails, also having a little out of season fun never hurts. Having said that I'd prefer 7.62x51 over 7.62x39 any day.
 
Another thought, whether or not you utilize the buffer tube having the ability to use AR stocks could be beneficial cause there are a ton of stock options out there.
 
$2000 or so does take it out of the "normal guys'" ability to grab one. It will have to be priced to compete with M14's if you want everyone do drop everything and grab one. If this becomes reality, I am in for at least one - just to pi$$ off the nearest liberal when I take it hunting.
 
My only concern is it being ambidextrous.

Bonus points for ambidextrous bullpup, though.

And yeah, your best bet is .308 Winchester.

Oh, and if you have the quick-swap barrels, be wary of it losing zero.
 
eos said:
In order to have a registration cert issued it must have an FRT #. New ones are created by the registry techs from time to time such as a JP Sauer 3000 drilling in 16ga over 22 hornet which will appear in the on line FRT shortly. If that semi only AR-10 mentioned is real it has to have an FRT # to have a registration certificate associated to it.
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I know he still has the rifle I will get his FRT# .In the court transcrpits Regina VS M.Macdonald I read the ruling hinged on the fact that the rifle in question was manufactured as a Semi Auto in a very small quaintity less than 20 known examples by the Dutch manfacturer AI and there fore the Crowns claim that the rifle be deemed a CA /12.3 class was dismissed Ity was returned to the Claiment It may have been expediant for the government to simply add this model onto the Fairchild Aramalite Semi Auto FRT.But I will talk to him
 
SeamusMac said:
I don't have time to read the whole thread to see if my wants have been mentioned so I'll list them here.

- non-restricted
- Uses M14s/M305 magazines
- System which allows for a folding stock
- Scopable

Those are essentially all the things I want in a semi-auto 7.62x51. I know that describes a Norc M14s almost to a T, but I don't like buying Chinese! I'll certainly buy a Made in Canada product for nearly any price under $2000.
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I believe it will be over well 2K for the rifle you describe due to costs of tool and die manufacturing
 
saskcop said:
$2000 or so does take it out of the "normal guys'" ability to grab one. It will have to be priced to compete with M14's if you want everyone do drop everything and grab one. If this becomes reality, I am in for at least one - just to pi$$ off the nearest liberal when I take it hunting.
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While the price of M305s will likely rise once the supply of new ones has dried up, they have been selling well for $400 for a number of years. There is no way that a new made in Canada rifle is going to sell for anywhere near the price of an offshore rifle assembled from left over parts.
Competing with M305s is impossible. Competing with M1As is more likely, and even then the M1A is an established product made in significant quantity. It could be difficult to come anywhere near the price of a standard grade M1A.
Earlier, I mentionned the AR-16. It was designed to be a cheap rifle to manufacture, just like the AR-18, AR-180, and AR-180B. A new version of the AR-16 might be possible.
 
I love your idea.

.5k Sells to everyone 100% of pop
1k sells to the common man. 90% of pop
2k sells to the enthusiasts 50%
3k sells to the wealthy 10%
4k sells to the stupid and wealthy .5%

Just remember that the RobArms will have the .308 version out very soon, and you'll have to compete with that. I personally will be willing to pay a little more for Canadian built, but only if it is quality gear.
 
drvrage said:
Just remember that the RobArms will have the .308 version out very soon, and you'll have to compete with that. I personally will be willing to pay a little more for Canadian built, but only if it is quality gear.
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Well I will believe it when I see it from RobArms:rolleyes:and if it as anything like there XCR I would avoid it like the plaque
 
severus said:
Hello Everyone,

After spending a lot of time and effort and after reviewing the current offerings in the 7.62 x 51 semi-auto black rifle market in Canada and after a lot of consideration of the import and export issues, I have decided to investigate manufacturing this type of rifle in Canada.

I am looking for input from the gun ownership community in Canada for features and options that they would desire for such a firearm. I am also trying to gauge domestic Canadian demand.

Now before everyone calls bullsh_t on this I just want you to know that my group owns three manufacturing plants in North America, with one in Canada that has all the tools and manufacturing equipment to build anything from cad/cam design.

Initial thoughts: FN-FAL gas system, AR-10 bolt, AR-180 style bolt carrier and recoil spring, G36 style changeable barrel, FN-FAL para style stock, 1913 rail system full on top and on front handguard, empty mag boly hold open, Timney drop in trigger system, and finally flip up front and rear battle sights. I am even considering exchangable barrels and mag wells for calibre changes. Initial barrel 18.5" rock river polygonal rifled barrel. Rifle would be manufactured from 4140 steel.

This will take some time to make happen and there are no guarantees but I am tired of gas impingement systems and the hassles of US/Europe import export. Its about time someone built a rifle like this in Canada.

Please let me know your thoughts. I am looking for indications of demand, price points and desired features.

Severus
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I hope your not just some crazy dude missing his meds this morning. Sounds awsome if this is legit but I wont be holding my breath... just yet.
 
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