Canadian Manufactured 7.62 x 51 Semi Auto

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Armedsask said:
You realise most of those guns are just rebuilt junkers, don't you?

Also, no one here wants to buy that crap.

Technically, anything can be built in Canada. It's the laws, the limit market, and the cheap consumers that is the problem. You can build the rifle, but every one will want a $300 Norinco.
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You realise most of those guns are just rebuilt junkers, don't you?

Yes, Armedsask I do.

I would like to see more support from folks here for anyone
willing to undertake projects like this.

I expressed the same support for your venture
to build a new rifle and I stand by it.

More than a few successful products were built
by those who didn't listen to those who said it couldn't
be done. The Xerox machine comes to mind.

I want you to build your rifle, so I can buy one!
 
Lee Enfield said:
?? HK's patent?? don't you mean the Stoner/Armalite/Sterling patents which HK ripped off?

A G36 seems to be a straight up Sterling SAR 80 with an ambidexterous cocking lever, and a spigot piston instead of a gas trap, maufactured from plastic rather than sheet metal.

And a SAR 80 is/was an updated/improved Armalite AR-18/180 with an adjustable gas sytem and AR-15 trigger group (remarkably similar to an AR-18B in fact).
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THe G36 gas system is patented, whether you like it or not.
 
This is the Energizer Thread..Keeps on Going

I would like to address a few comments. First, it can be done. For those of you that think it cannot take a look at the bumble bee. Theortically it can't fly.

I expect that it will be an interesting process and whatever design we end up with will also be licenseable in North America, Asia, and where ever it is we decide to produce. This will not be limited to Canada but it will be a Canadian design and if it goes ahead there will be rifles produced in Canada.

As for all the patent issues there are plenty of patents on plenty of firearms and their actions. Many, like the AR18 have expired. Regardless, it does not take too much imagination to develop a unique design and though it may share commonalities like a gas piston drive, it is how you do it that is unique. It is also the quality and the design that is also important.

Thank you all for your contributions.

Severus
 
Just for clarification on my posts.

We can make a rifle in Canada. I never said we couldn't. I have said that a 100% made in Canada rifle, with the features described will not be a $1500 Dollar rifle.

Armedsask, KevinB, and myself, have all been heavily involved in attempting to bring "black gun stuff" to the market in Canada, made in Canada.

Armdsask is the only one who has suceeded.

Kevin and myself were very, very close in January, but stuff popped up for both of us that made it impossible for a while.

Severus - I wish you well, and my previous statement stands - if you bring a made in Canada rifle to the market, and it is a quality piece, I will be looking at it no matter the cost.

mike
 
Smoothbore said:
You realise most of those guns are just rebuilt junkers, don't you?

Yes, Armedsask I do.

I would like to see more support from folks here for anyone
willing to undertake projects like this.

I expressed the same support for your venture
to build a new rifle and I stand by it.

More than a few successful products were built
by those who didn't listen to those who said it couldn't
be done. The Xerox machine comes to mind.

I want you to build your rifle, so I can buy one!
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I support this guy 100%, I want to see this happen.

How ever, we get these posts a lot, including from me, but if there's one thing I've learned in the last year, nothing goes as planned. Just having the manufacturing facilities is a drop in the bucket of what needs to happen to build a complete rifle.
 
greentips said:
THe G36 gas system is patented, whether you like it or not.
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If the patent was filed before 1989, the point is as moot as the listing of patents on the side of a Colt Peacemaker.

And even if the patent is still active, it can't have long to run, and frankly these rifles aren't ready to hit the shelves in time for xmas anyway.
 
Armedsask said:
I support this guy 100%, I want to see this happen.

How ever, we get these posts a lot, including from me, but if there's one thing I've learned in the last year, nothing goes as planned. Just having the manufacturing facilities is a drop in the bucket of what needs to happen to build a complete rifle.
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x2.

I still haven't seen anything in this thread that convinces me that Severus has the resources to do this.

Much support and respect though. I really do hope you pull it off.
 
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MikeH said:
Just for clarification on my posts.

We can make a rifle in Canada. I never said we couldn't. I have said that a 100% made in Canada rifle, with the features described will not be a $1500 Dollar rifle.

Armedsask, KevinB, and myself, have all been heavily involved in attempting to bring "black gun stuff" to the market in Canada, made in Canada.

Armdsask is the only one who has suceeded.
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I'm sorry, what was that? Armdsask did what? Haha.. Can we see pictures of the black gun stuff Armedsask succeeded to bring? At least one single part, made entirely by him even if it is copied. A chunk of metal with a hole that accepts a golf ball is a little far from black gun don't you think? Childish computer drawings? what else?
 
Kaiser_Sose said:
I'm sorry, what was that? Armdsask did what? Haha.. Can we see pictures of the black gun stuff Armedsask succeeded to bring? At least one single part, made entirely by him even if it is copied. A chunk of metal with a hole that accepts a golf ball is a little far from black gun don't you think? Childish computer drawings? what else?
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I think you should check this out before you start pouching:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58389&highlight=6061+billet&page=15

and this:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=193949&highlight=Aluminum+AR180B+lower

Bryce also works for KPA. If anyone is going to produce a black rifle in Canada it will be them. Call them and check out their business plan. I have.
 
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A lot of people make their own receivers and put OEM parts in. In fact, few of them right here on this forum make a lot more than complete receivers. Armedsask did some machining on that lower acording to your link, right? Did that bring black gun stuff on the market? MikeH said so and I was curious to see it.

A business plan is just that, a plan. Absolutely anybody can make one. It does not bring black stuff on the market either, now, does it? What exactly makes you be so sure they will bring black gun stuff on the market in Canada? The business plan? They have 3 rails on their website, for ####'s sake. It the future, who knows, maybe we will see black gun stuff from KPA. It also depends on how fast the liberals get back in power.

If there is more than rails, golf ball launchers or computer drawings then I am curious to see it.
 
Clobbersauras said:
I think you should check this out before you start pouching:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58389&highlight=6061+billet&page=15

and this:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=193949&highlight=Aluminum+AR180B+lower

Bryce also works for KPA. If anyone is going to produce a black rifle in Canada it will be them. Call them and check out their business plan. I have.
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With all due respect towards Bryce's accomplishment I fail to see where he brought it to the Canadian Market.

It was a great accomplishment but not yet patented and rolling off the production line :D
 
Lee Enfield said:
Well, I guess it figures. According to Laidler in Guns of Dagenham, Patchett (the designer of the Sterling SMG) successfully patented several of the laws of thermodynamics.... :runaway:

Not exactly sure how he planned to defend his patents however.:cool:
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Bob Carver also patented a box with 6 sides...
 
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