45acp verus 9mm

fry i hear you . i wasn't talking about me, i was talking about some of the gangsters/characters i had to rub shoulders with when i bounced many many moons ago.
i took a hand to hand course in the army, when we got to knife fighting, we were told ok this is what you do, first let me say do not in any way get into a knife fight. shoot him with a pistol, hit him with a shovel, ect. if you have to use your bayonet, your going to get cut. then we were taught the basics of knife fighting. what is that old saying among hard men? "you fool you brought a knife to a gun fight".
nothing is certain in any kind of fight, i've delt with some very hard men. i'm not unscathed by any means.
 
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.45 is subsonic, 9mm is supersonic

I know it's supposed to be, it shoots flatter over long distance, and that's important in combat conditions, but I'm a target shooter.

I haven't been and won't be in any gunfights, but I may experience hearing loss over time.

I like music, and I like other sounds too much to not be concerned about that. Call me a sissy if you want, but one of the nicest and most relaxing things about the range is on summer days when you're reloading your mags, or eating lunch and you can listen to the crickets and the wind rustling through the tall grass and all the other small stuff.

My range is almost always deserted, and it's nice to get my recoil therapy, but some of those quiet moments are the best moments. I'd hate to lose those.
 
to quote Starscream who stated earlier in this thread, and imho, he is very much on point:

"Anything worth shooting once is worth shooting twice.

Anything worth shooting twice is worth shooting twice well.

With the exception of rule one, all rules stated are more guidelines then rules."

noone mentioned yet about the "double tap", standard training i understand with police forces, which ipsc started the decade before, based on the theory that the human body, unless hit in the spinal column or in a vital organ, started to shut down in the sense that a second shot later would have less effect. (why shotguns and machineguns are so effective)

for example, someone pumped up on adrenalinlin or drugs would take more to take down, because only in a perfect world, is there a "one shot - one kill", and while it is a sniper motto, that's using rifles, not handguns.

a good double tap would be within a couple of inches from shot to shot,and while i would prefer magnum power, that is more difficult to achieve because of recoil and muzzle jump. either full house 45 or 9mm, with reasonable practice, will get a good double tap, with the shot placement into the center of mass, within seconds.

i think to answer the question in a round about way, and this is the timeless answer, it is a combination of sufficient caliber power, speed, technique, control, and shot placement. regards to all.
 
Bobby Ironsights said:
.45 is subsonic, 9mm is supersonic

I know it's supposed to be, it shoots flatter over long distance, and that's important in combat conditions, but I'm a target shooter.

I haven't been and won't be in any gunfights, but I may experience hearing loss over time.

I like music, and I like other sounds too much to not be concerned about that. Call me a sissy if you want, but one of the nicest and most relaxing things about the range is on summer days when you're reloading your mags, or eating lunch and you can listen to the crickets and the wind rustling through the tall grass and all the other small stuff.

My range is almost always deserted, and it's nice to get my recoil therapy, but some of those quiet moments are the best moments. I'd hate to lose those.
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Not all 9mm is supersonic. A 9mm 147 gr. FMJ is at around 990 fps, that's subsonic...great for use with suppressor / no muzzle crack.
 
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9mm vs .45ACP... never heard that one before :)

I started with 9mm and at one point all ny guns were 9mm, eventually I got a .45 and now have a couple of each :cool:

I like 9mm more though, and wish my .45's were 10mm's...but .45 is still cool.
 
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michaelsabre said:
Artiz,

First hand experience makes Internet argument unnecessary.

Then we talk!
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Exactly.

You don't even own anything chambered in .45acp?

You need to chill out. Your posts definitely show lack of maturity. Perhaps when you sprout some cahones, fire a few thousand rounds in the calibre you're discussing, then maybe your opinions may mean something.

"Shot placement is final" "Weight isn't everything"

:rolleyes:
 
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Yeah lack of maturity, riiiight.
Reading more than 500 data and review pages on the .45 caliber rounds isn't enough, because I'm such a noob as I haven't shot any .45acp yet, so I'm gonna chill out (I probably need to, 'cuz I'm SO pissed right now, right?).
To actually SEE and KNOW what a .45acp round can and cannot do, I just have to sit down near the back stop of that range and see what this bullet can do IN REAL AWESOME TIME to that steel plate and to that ballistic gel bloc I'm holding right now.
I try to use common sense, maybe I just FAILED this time and should read 500 more proven and official reviews on "real world" ballistic results.
Thanks my mind just opened to a new world right now, ah that feels so good.
Stop blaming others without actually knowing who you are talking to and WHAT they actually know by spending years on research.
 
All I can say is that the .45 must be much more effective at killing folks that the 9mm. I can say this because the RCMP issues 9mm - and subsonic ones at that to ensure that no one gets hurt.
 
.45 vs. 9 mm? .50 AE clearly provides the tactical OPERATOR an edge over any opponent, it has hydrostatic stopping power for true operatorz.
 
Since I shoot 1000's of these rounds into paper targets annually I can safely make the following observations. A 45 makes a 452 caliber hole in a paper target and a 9MM makes a 355 caliber hole.
 
jasonburnsdundee said:
Since I shoot 1000's of these rounds into paper targets annually I can safely make the following observations. A 45 makes a 452 caliber hole in a paper target and a 9MM makes a 355 caliber hole.
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Yes, but was the paper still able to molest you or a loved one after being marked up?
 
i like them both and both will do the job if you do yours.
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wow 9mm vs 45! what an interesting and unusual tread. 10 pages - any conclusions yet? Did we found any common ground and everybody agree?
 
af_newbie said:
+3!!!

.22LR can be deadly.

9MM in semi
.38SPL in revolvers

is a way to go.

Forget .45, waste of lead and money.
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9 mm suks for stopping a threat thats why most law enforcent and military stopped using them and switched to .40 cal and .45 acp. 9 mm tends to overpenetrate as well as the hollow points tend to get plugged which doesnt let the bullet expand, therefore do what it was designed to do. i trust my life and the lives around me to the .45 acp
 
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