Retarded Club Rules?

1) No rapid fire.. only 1 shot every 5 seconds..
2) No FMJ's (outdoor range with large backstops, I can't shoot a 223 FMJ but a 300 RUM is fine.. :S)
3) caliber restrictions.. you have to "qualify" (Shoot 20 at a target) before you can move up a caliber..
4) Shotguns can only be uncased on the the bench (but the transportation rules allow you to transport it uncased.. Duh...)
5) 1500 FPS max on all Ammo (22 Mag is higher the 1500 is banned but a .50 magnum is perfectly fine)
6) you must case all ipsc pistols if walking between outdoor ranges (side by side)no keeping them in the holster.

These are pain stupid rules.
It's not even logical.

Well, you might think differently if you owned the range, Artiz. At the indoor range I'm a member of, you have to prove you can hit the backstop before firing centrefire calibres.

I don't find that unreasonable, judging by the amount of bullet holes in the ceiling. :)

About the velocity rule, that too is a practical consideration. Fast bullets damage the backstop. Simple, no?
 
I am curious, what do you Western Canadians have to face when it comes to bringing guests to the range?

The closest club to me (which I have been looking into joining for pure convenience) allows a maximum of 3 guests ever. Once you bring your third guest, you can never bring another one. In addition to that, they wont let you see the rulebook until AFTER you pay your membership fee.

They make it seem like being a member of a club is a requirement to get a handgun in Ontario. Not to hijack, but is this true? If I don't join a club, all I could do is just own it though, not shoot, right?

I don't think I will be joining.
 
About the velocity rule, that too is a practical consideration. Fast bullets damage the backstop. Simple, no?

No.. they don't.. a fast and HEAVY bullet does. but then you would expect a gun club, with people who reload to understand that concept, wouldn't you...

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NOPE!.

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kinda like you would expect that same club to suspend members who can't hit the targets, and continue to hit the baffles....... NOPE.. even when they have them on camera doing it... NOPE

what you don't expect them to do, is to punish all the members.. but Nope.. they go ahead and do that, rather then hold the few incompetents accountable..
 
I saw with my own eyes what a .22 bullet can do to the joints in a backstop.

If I was the guy that had to whip out the blowtorch every week to weld the backstop back together, I might consider changing the rules...

But yeah, that said, I don't shoot at that club much anymore because of these types of limitations.
 
I saw with my own eyes what a .22 bullet can do to the joints in a backstop.
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then you have a backstop which is not designed to do the job it's supposed to be doing.. if a .22 in a joint can cause the type of damage you are saying, then it's not a backstop., it's a piece of steel, that some idiot thought would stop bullets.. get a proper backstop.. ;) ;) ;) ;)
 
1500 fps max?? No 17HMR then. Now that caliber is a real range wrecker!

No FMJ? Sounds like the Good 'ol Boys Club dosen't like the black rifle crowd.

No rapid fire? - See above.

Qualify to move up a caliber? Who decides which way is up? Is a 30-30 a step up from a 25-06? Where does 45-70 fit in?
 
I am curious, what do you Western Canadians have to face when it comes to bringing guests to the range?

The closest club to me (which I have been looking into joining for pure convenience) allows a maximum of 3 guests ever. Once you bring your third guest, you can never bring another one. In addition to that, they wont let you see the rulebook until AFTER you pay your membership fee.

They make it seem like being a member of a club is a requirement to get a handgun in Ontario. Not to hijack, but is this true? If I don't join a club, all I could do is just own it though, not shoot, right?

I don't think I will be joining.

What club is it that you went to???Area atleast please...Most clubs give you as many guests as you want but each person a max of 3 visits per year..
 
I am curious, what do you Western Canadians have to face when it comes to bringing guests to the range?

The closest club to me (which I have been looking into joining for pure convenience) allows a maximum of 3 guests ever. Once you bring your third guest, you can never bring another one. In addition to that, they wont let you see the rulebook until AFTER you pay your membership fee.

They make it seem like being a member of a club is a requirement to get a handgun in Ontario. Not to hijack, but is this true? If I don't join a club, all I could do is just own it though, not shoot, right?

I don't think I will be joining.

I believe the Firearms Act has a clause in there (sure to be used by the liebs asap), that if you don't 'use' your guns, they will be able to come and take them away without having to further explain themselves. :mad:
 
I am looking into starting my own club in the GTA... I'll have to lease out a day in the week... but atleast on that day we wont need to worry abt all this BS...

I'll post again when I am lookin for members... but feel free to message me if interested...
 
I am curious, what do you Western Canadians have to face when it comes to bringing guests to the range?

The closest club to me (which I have been looking into joining for pure convenience) allows a maximum of 3 guests ever. Once you bring your third guest, you can never bring another one. In addition to that, they wont let you see the rulebook until AFTER you pay your membership fee.

They make it seem like being a member of a club is a requirement to get a handgun in Ontario. Not to hijack, but is this true? If I don't join a club, all I could do is just own it though, not shoot, right?

I don't think I will be joining.

Bring guest to range (or meet them there). Give guest gun. Enjoy shooting with guest. When out of ammo or dark sets in, go home. Yup, those are some tough rules alright. - dan
 
My range is pretty Good. Mission District Rod and gun. Rifle range is single round only. that includes bolt actions and semi autos. As far as I know the pistol range it 10 shot. no limit.

the weirdest rule is 2 verifier rule. You and one other person must prove the weapon safe, before it is considered "safe". I have never seen it enforced. but I have read it in the book before.
 
Full Auto ?

Myself, I am still a member of most hypocritical range in Ontario. They put many restrictions on new shooters and club is not handgun friendly, not mention IPSC. On the other hand, BPD, RCMP, and other organization are allowed to shoot full-auto !!!, move up and down with handguns or M4 sometimes with finger right on the trigger (I have seen it).
To practice, they not only use paper targets with human face and ears but also molded from plastic upper body which they shoot full auto till it falls down.
This club send this to me:
"...The Executive is considering some proposed changes to the acceptance of new members due to the number of concerns brought forward by the membership; mainly that the Club is losing sight of its conservation objectives and becoming a “gun club”..."

Petty, isn't?

If the club allows the cops to shoot full auto {which is legal} the club will be shut down by the CFO cause the CFO made a ruling prohibiting full auto at all non military ranges including police and soldiers on non military ranges.
The fudds running the place should be told - or not.
 
I believe the Firearms Act has a clause in there (sure to be used by the liebs asap), that if you don't 'use' your guns, they will be able to come and take them away without having to further explain themselves. :mad:

Well.. if you believe this to be true, then you should be able to point to it in the FA and show us.. (I won't be holding my breath).

It's not in there..
 
You need to understand the difference between was is in the FA, and what "policies" The CFO is trying to impose on shooters to make like as unbearable as possible. The CFO is creating his policies on a whim, and wants to make it hard on you. Eg just look at the ATT and Club police in Ontt. (you need to belong to a club to get a long term ATT. but if I shoot IPSC all year at 12 different clubs, but don't belong to a specific one, then I don't get an LATT and he won't renew my PAL once it's up). that's a NON legal CFO policy.

the CFO is an A$$hat trying to make like as hard a possible on shooters
 
You need to understand the difference between was is in the FA, and what "policies" The CFO is trying to impose on shooters to make like as unbearable as possible. The CFO is creating his policies on a whim, and wants to make it hard on you. Eg just look at the ATT and Club police in Ontt. (you need to belong to a club to get a long term ATT. but if I shoot IPSC all year at 12 different clubs, but don't belong to a specific one, then I don't get an LATT and he won't renew my PAL once it's up). that's a NON legal CFO policy.

the CFO is an A$$hat trying to make like as hard a possible on shooters

Political BS dictatorship direction to the CFO's in ON and QC:mad:

I've learned to skip rope just from jumping through all the "policies" on the fly.
(Since they were changing weekly)

We in the East need Help from the West.
It would be nice to impose a surcharge on fuel for those without a PAL:D
 
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