Value of used hunting rifles..

LondonDave said:
It should be a buyers market with a availability of inexpensive guns some guys just don't realize that I guess.

Dave
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I think this is BS. If you are in the market for an inexpensive gun then buy an inexpensive gun (SPS, Stevens etc). To say that all guns should be priced lower because of the availability of these inexpensive guns is near-sighted.

Many models are no longer manufactured. Compare a Tikka LSA 65 with a new T3. There is a difference! Many of the new versions are made cheaply to appeal and be available to those who do not have the means to spend any more- and that is a good thing IMO.

There is much more to it than the price of the cheapest new rifle at Wholesale Sports!
 
1899 said:
I think this is BS. If you are in the market for an inexpensive gun then buy an inexpensive gun (SPS, Stevens etc). To say that all guns should be priced lower because of the availability of these inexpensive guns is near-sighted.

Many models are no longer manufactured. Compare a Tikka LSA 65 with a new T3. There is a difference! Many of the new versions are made cheaply to appeal and be available to those who do not have the means to spend any more- and that is a good thing IMO.

There is much more to it than the price of the cheapest new rifle at Wholesale Sports!
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It's the guys trying to sell the used inexpensive guns at new gun prices. I'm not in the market for collectors items or high end fancy schmancy guns and if I was I would expect to pay the price. I'm looking for what I would consider used "starter" guns at prices I can afford. The problem is that far too many people are trying to sell these guns for what they paid for them or what they can be bought new. There is a huge variance in price on some guns, up to $100 difference. I'm sorry if you (not you specifically) were the guy that paid $100 more than you could have got it for at somewhere like WSS but that doesn't mean you can try and recoop your money when it comes time to sell it.

Dave
 
Of course a person can try to recoup his costs - doesn't mean that he will be able to though.
Any given item will sell for whatever that one special person will pay for it.
Don't worry about it.
 
I have been waiting to speak out as well. Good deals on EE sell before you can blink. 90% of the guns are overpriced, most of the time you can buy the same gun brand new for $50 to $150 more.
After many weeks of searching for a deal on a decent used gun, it became pointless. After much wasted time and frustration I order new from LeBaron's for...like I said, probably $100 more.
I understand it is hard to part with a gun, but if they are up for sale....post fair prices and be willing to negotiate.
 
I think that most "hunting " guns are a great deal. Most are not used heavily, taken out just before the fall hunt and shot a few times to adjust the scope and usually one shell to put game down, cleaned, oiled and stored til next time.

where as some of the guns such as target guns are used heavily, barrels worn, actions worn . and being sold on "name" only basis. Why are they sold....because they are not shooting like they did when new.

Why would I buy that type of gun? I am buying a time limited gun.

a hunting rifle depending on what caliber can give as much pleasure at target shooting , and some are shot a lot cheaper. The prices that "hunting" guns are being sold for reflects on the usage and condition. Most have seen miles in the bush, but are literally unused and can afford someone many more years of shooting, hunting, and fun times. Most have all the bugs worked out . I would rather buy used at near "new" prices... than have to read about the new one returning time and time again to the factory repair, or reading the negative comments so readily printed on this site.

if you think the price is too much....pass on it ...do not complain that you really wanted it but "it is too much"....Leave it.... someone that wants it ...not afraid to pay the price.....and will certainly use it...will pick it up. This is my 2 cents worth.
 
Same thing with the shotguns for sale.


There's a couple there I wouldn't hesitate to buy right now for a very good price if I needed that particular model, and one more that is a bit pricey, but priced about right, considering what it is. I really want that model, but it's out of my play money range this year.

On the other hand, there are others that have been back to the top 10 times or more and don't sell. A few I suspect were purchased for too much in the first place by naive buyers and they are trying to recoup money ill-spent.
others, well they obviously don't care if they sell or not and will hang onto them or eventually quit advertising.
 
I think decent deals go pretty quick on here. If I see something I want, I offer what I think I want to pay, roughly, and see what happens. That being said, I bought a new Remington SPS stainless in 308 last night. For $580 after mail in rebate, I got what I want. If someone wants to pay almost new price for the rifle they want because "they don't make 'em like that anymore", so be it. Remember it when you have one to sell.:D
 
I price stuff that I want to sell, at a price that I would be wiling to pay for the said used item. I had to BTT once, on one item. Enough said:D Either the seller wants to sell, or they are just fishing, until a sucker comes along. Or maybe there is that specific person, that is looking for a specific item, and is willing to pay a premium for it.

When I buy, I know what I want. If it is a hard to get item, and it comes up on the EE, for more dollars than what it is worth, then I look at the bank account and decide from there. I have overpaid for many items, not just here, cause I just couldn't live without it. All depends on your own personal willingness to part with your money.
 
I find the EE very helpful in determining the value of new guns, just subtract 10% from the EE price, and that's what you can buy them for, new. Not just guns either, scopes, dies, everything.
 
Who really cares what someone prices their items for? If they are too high move on. It is no skin off your ass if the item sells or not and it doesn't cost YOU a nickel out of your pocket for their ad.

I find a LOT of ignorant buyers here too. As mentioned it is hard to sell an item to someone who doesn't understand what is for sale. A Remington 700 BDL for example is a totally different beast than a POS 700 SPS with a tupper-wear stock and spray-on metal finish. (Yes Virginia, a used 700 BDL in good condition is worth MORE than a new SPS)

Finally ............ why do some of you seem to think the EE must be full of bargains at fire-sale prices? Fair market prices seem to be too much to pay for some here who seem to possess a feeling of entitlement.
 
So.... what's your definition of "mint"????

This recent add in the EE got me laughing:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=294106&highlight=mint

Guy posts that his rifle is "mint" then goes on to describe the little boo-boo's that it has..... Uh..... ding, ding, ding..... Hate to break it to ya fella..... While your rifle may be desireable, cool, etc....... IT AIN"T MINT! :p
 
NAA said:
This recent add in the EE got me laughing:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=294106&highlight=mint

Guy posts that his rifle is "mint" then goes on to describe the little boo-boo's that it has..... Uh..... ding, ding, ding..... Hate to break it to ya fella..... While your rifle may be desireable, cool, etc....... IT AIN"T MINT! :p
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See, that's the thing. He NEVER claims the rifle is MINT, rather he calls it Excellent condition. It is the RINGS that are mint. And yes, 750 shipped with rings and bases is a pretty FAIR price for that rifle.

For sale is a 2 year old Remington 700 CDL in 30-06 in Excellent condition. It has an American walnut stock and a satin blue finished action and 24" barrel. The rifle also comes with weaver style bases and weaver 1" turn-in rings, both are also in mint condition.
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'Boo said:
Finally ............ why do some of you seem to think the EE must be full of bargains at fire-sale prices? Fair market prices seem to be too much to pay for some here who seem to possess a feeling of entitlement.
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+1!

I've seen some great deals, and some not-so-great deals, but I find most of the prices pretty reasonable for most items.

Just because someone toted a gun lovingly through the bush for 5 years and shot it maybe 100 times and kept it in pristine condition doesn't mean a $1000 gun is now worth $500!

(Of course, I'm biased being that I have a Tikka T3 pakcage listed right now... at a REASONABLE price, I might add! :D)

-M
 
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See, that's the thing. He NEVER claims the rifle is MINT, rather he calls it Excellent condition. It is the RINGS that are mint. And yes, 750 shipped with rings and bases is a pretty FAIR price for that rifle.
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Read his thread title.... his claim seems pretty clear to me.... ;)

FS: Remington 700 CDL 30-06 Mint!!! (Pics)
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And for that matter, it isn't even "excellent" condition by the NRA standards:

NRA Standards said:
NRA MODERN GUN CONDITION STANDARDS:

NEW: Not previously sold at retail, in same condition as current factory production.

PERFECT: In New condition in every respect. (Jim's note - in my experience, many collectors & dealers use "As New" to describe this condition).

EXCELLENT: New condition, used but little, no noticeable marring of wood or metal, bluing perfect, (except at muzzle or sharp edges).

VERY GOOD: In perfect working condition, no appreciable wear on working surfaces, no corrosion or pitting, only minor surface dents or scratches.

GOOD: In safe working condition, minor wear on working surfaces, no broken parts, no corrosion or pitting that will interfere with proper functioning.

FAIR: In safe working condition but well worn, perhaps requiring replacement of minor parts or adjustments which should be indicated in advertisement, no rust, but may have corrosion pits which do not render article unsafe or inoperable.
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By the NRA standard it only rates a "very good" overall.... ;)

However, I'm not disputing whether it's a fair deal or not.... just that buddy needs a lesson on his rating methods..... :)
 
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Because unless it's really special or rare, I can walk into the store and buy a new one, instead of paying new price to someone for a rifle they have done who knows what to. That's how it works with anything else you buy, why would rifles be any different?
 
Anyone can open up a WSS catalogue and get an idea about what a brand new rifle/scope/rings costs, and can then look at the price of somethign in the EE and make an informed decision.

Some guys pay too much for a gun and then think they are taking a hit when you offer them less than the catalogue NEW price. That's thier problem.

Most little extras add zero to a rifle value- Scopes, rings, slings etc.

Unless the scope is a good model, it adds no value. Weaver rings add no value unless it's for a rifle that only Weaver makes some sort of scope mount for it. Slings add zero..A bedding job is desirable but adds zero to value.

Aftermarket stocks add some value, if they are quality and it's what the buyer wants.

:)
 
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