IDPA gun of choice?

mr_verbatim

IDPA is made up of three pistol divisions and two revolver divisions.

These are:

Stock Serive Pistol - SSP
Enhanced Service Pistol - ESP
Custom Defense Pisto - CDP
Enhanced Service Revolver - ESR
Stock Service Revolver - SSR

For Club matches only:

Back Up Gun - BUG

For a complete description of each refer to the IDPA rul book pages 17 through 27. the rule book can be downloaded from here:

www.idpa.com

Please note in Canada revolvers with barrels of six inches maybe used for IDPA competitions BUT would not be legal to use in competitions in the USA.

Take Care

Bob
 
Beltfed

"The CZs have reliability issues & can be finicky, but are decent pistols."

First time I have ever heard somebody suggest CZ pistols had relaibility issues or were finicky. CZ and Tanfoglio pistols (Clone of the CZ design), are two of the most popular and winningest pistols in either IDPA or IPSC competitions. I can't recall ever having problems with any of my CZ/Tanfoglio pistols when it comes to feeding problems.

Most stock pistols sold these days are utterly reliable. The choice of pistols by a shooter generally falls to what they personally are comfortable with or can afford.

For a new shooter entering IDPA who doesn't reload a 9MM gun would be an obvious choice given the cost of ammunition. If funds are tight buying new a Glock 17. S&W M&P9 or CZ 75B all fall within $100. of each other. All three are competitive out of the box and would serve a new shooter well. Holsters are readily available for all three. If at the end of the day the shooter either doesn't like competitive actions shooting or wants to move on to a different pistol, all three can be sold used into a waiting market.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
First time I have ever heard somebody suggest CZ pistols had relaibility issues or were finicky. CZ and Tanfoglio pistols (Clone of the CZ design), are two of the most popular and winningest pistols in either IDPA or IPSC competitions. I can't recall ever having problems with any of my CZ/Tanfoglio pistols when it comes to feeding problems.
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Old news; CZs have a reputation for going through slide stops.
Breaking one is a matter of time. Either you don't have very much time or rounds through one. Some guns go easy on them, and some eat them in short order.
Their mags can be hot and cold as well.
I had an 85 combat that went through a slide stop in the short time I had it, and I did not drop the slide with it. There are a number of guys in Alberta that use them for both IPSC and IDPA, and they carry spare slide stops...
One fellow went through three this last year...shooting production loads...It's just the nature of the pistol.
 
Beltfed

My old CZ85C went through it's slide stop at about 40,000 rds. That said it still functioned fine just didn't have the right had slide stop attached. Not heard that said of the 75B or the SP-01 or Shadows.

Take Care

Bob
 
Cz

Canuck44 said:
"The CZs have reliability issues & can be finicky, but are decent pistols."

First time I have ever heard somebody suggest CZ pistols had relaibility issues or were finicky. CZ and Tanfoglio pistols (Clone of the CZ design), are two of the most popular and winningest pistols in either IDPA or IPSC competitions. I can't recall ever having problems with any of my CZ/Tanfoglio pistols when it comes to feeding problems.

Most stock pistols sold these days are utterly reliable. The choice of pistols by a shooter generally falls to what they personally are comfortable with or can afford.

For a new shooter entering IDPA who doesn't reload a 9MM gun would be an obvious choice given the cost of ammunition. If funds are tight buying new a Glock 17. S&W M&P9 or CZ 75B all fall within $100. of each other. All three are competitive out of the box and would serve a new shooter well. Holsters are readily available for all three. If at the end of the day the shooter either doesn't like competitive actions shooting or wants to move on to a different pistol, all three can be sold used into a waiting market.

Take Care

Bob
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Good morning,

Well, I went to the range yesterday and had a look at the glocks, the XD, CZ 75 & 85 and some others.....

I have to tell you, the M&P won for me...... I know that it is a personal prefference here, but the glock felt like a brick, the XD felt worse (and heavy), the CZ'z were an obvious choice for accuracy, but I don't like steel guns except as a nickel plated show piece....

So, it looks like I will sacrifice some barrel length and go with comfort and 'familiarity'; I will just have to adjust to a shorter barel length and likely be all the better for it in the long run....

I know you can modify the sllide stop to compete with a longer gun, but.......:redface:

Good thread, thanks for the help,

V
 
vondnik said:
removing the mag disconnect(if it's realy an issue for you) on the M&P is rather easy and requiers basic gunsmithing knowledged. Step by step how to guides are available online
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Disabling ANY safety (incl mag disconnect, as you call it) is not allowed in IDPA.
 
vondnik said:
removing the mag disconnect(if it's realy an issue for you) on the M&P is rather easy and requiers basic gunsmithing knowledged. Step by step how to guides are available online
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and a good SO will know to look for the "this gun will fire without magazine inserted" warning on the slide... or at least the match director should know and then rule if the SO catches on when he gives the drop hammer command.

and then your disqualified, one of the only reasons to get DQ'ed in IDPA
 
Westicle said:
and a good SO will know to look for the "this gun will fire without magazine inserted" warning on the slide... or at least the match director should know and then rule if the SO catches on when he gives the drop hammer command.

and then your disqualified, one of the only reasons to get DQ'ed in IDPA
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It is my understanding that not all pistols without the mag disconnector from the factory are coming with this notification on the slide, so you should not be making a DQ call on that alone.
The only way to tell is by inspecting the sear disconnector spring, and even then one could theoretically replace the one that comes standard with the mag disconnector with a factory spring from a gun that did not have it. Either way, it could be impossible to tell if the mag disonnector has been removed. Are you going to DQ someone with that knowledge? I know if I'm a match director, I won't.
 
Mag Safety

Do not remove the mag safety. :mad:

I took mine out and our esteemed leader was forced to 'correct' me:cool:...slapped my peepee:runaway:........I think I am starting to like it:redface:.....

John
 
well if the slide is not marked then so be it, but if it is obviously a pistol that either came with or without and was modified by user then Yes I would have no problem either issuing a FTDR or a DQ... what ever the rule book says is appropriate.

the point of the matter is that someone is "gaming" and going against the rules to do what ?? win a 12 cent certificate.....

note that the problem would only arise in a sanctioned match.... normal practice nights or whatever who really cares eh....

as an aside the same rule applies to the browning highpower....
 
Westicle said:
........going against the rules to do what ?? win a 12 cent certificate.....
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Maybe YOU award 12 certificates; we at ATHL award $400.00 trophies! :eek:



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beltfed said:
I think that is a case of good luck as far as CZs go, Bob. Don't get me wrong, I really like CZ, and lament the sale of my 85c.
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I don't lament the sale of it! Still running strong and on the slide stop I got when you sold it to me. I got to buy a spare!

I would recommend the Glock 34 for IDPA. I prefer the CZ's for IPSC Production but I like the Glocks better for IDPA which is usually a little closer.
 
Westicle said:
well if the slide is not marked then so be it, but if it is obviously a pistol that either came with or without and was modified by user then Yes I would have no problem either issuing a FTDR or a DQ... what ever the rule book says is appropriate.
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My point Wes, is that I'm sure it won't be obvious, even possibly if you remove the slide and inspect the sear disconnector spring.

Westicle said:
the point of the matter is that someone is "gaming" and going against the rules to do what ?? win a 12 cent certificate.....
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I'm not sure it would be a case of gaming it. Really, the M&P with or without the mag disconnector is the same gun. One doesn't shoot any better with or without it.

Westicle said:
as an aside the same rule applies to the browning highpower....
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I don't believe all hi-powers came with this feature either....
 
beltfed said:
My point Wes, is that I'm sure it won't be obvious, even possibly if you remove the slide and inspect the sear disconnector spring.
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It will be obvious when the S/O gives the hammer down command and the hammer/striker falls without the mag inserted.......on my M&P 45 there is no mag disconnect but the engraving on the slide announcing just how dangerous the gun is now would give the no mag safety away:D
 
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