History of PMags in Canada for a beginner.

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With Ar 15 mags I have been epoxying a curved (curve matches the curve of the magazine) plastic rod with an aluminum rod insert to the bottom of the follower for a few years and this method works very well and complies with the law as it is epoxied to part of the mag casing (follower) and can not be easily removed. This method requires no drilling of the mag casing.

RE: http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cr/SOR-98-462/bo-ga:s_1::bo-ga:s_2?page=2

(4) A cartridge magazine described in subsection (1) that has been altered or re-manufactured so that it is not capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be, of the type for which it was originally designed is not a prohibited device as prescribed by that subsection if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.

(5) For the purposes of subsection (4), altering or re-manufacturing a cartridge magazine includes

(a) the indentation of its casing by forging, casting, swaging or impressing;

(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or

(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.
 
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WWIII said:
With Ar 15 mags I have been epoxying a curved (curve matches the curve of the magazine) plastic rod with an aluminum rod insert to the bottom of the follower for a few years and this method works very well and complies with the law as it is epoxied, part of the mag housing and can not be easily removed. This method requires no drilling of the mag housing.
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Expensive...

Cnc mag block...

Expensive....

As soon as you need to fabricate... Expensive...

Time = money...

you guys wonder why these go for 50 $ with those block types ??

Sheesh !

KPA
 
kako911 said:
Expensive...

Cnc mag block...

Expensive....

As soon as you need to fabricate... Expensive...

Time = money...

you guys wonder why these go for 50 $ with those block types ??

Sheesh !

KPA
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Yes it takes time & money to make a good setup, but I can disassemble and clean my mags much easier because I don’t have a rivet blocking the follower from dropping out, also the mag spring does not get hung up on the protruding rivet in the mag casing. My design has proven much more reliable for the canadian five shot fiasco than the “drilling and rivet method“.
 
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Isn't drilling and a rivet pretty simple...like under 30 seconds simple?? and cheap?
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roosters soloution is both cheap and add's little to the price, but the greatest thing is that it is easy.... if the mags need tools to disassemble then just slap the block in and your done.... if so desired, pop rivet the baseplate which will not affect how the mag fits in the gun and is cosmetically nuetral.

I am thinking the best part of roosters idea is that you can take the mag blocks with you if you happen to be visiting the USA and have the proper export/import paper work..... 5 minutes in the gun shop and all your mags are plugged and legal for import.
 
Just to clarify the Cnc inserts are the right shape for a perfect fit, it is super light no guesswork on cutting and recutting. Best of all inexpensive, 5 pcs for $20. And in the time it takes to poprivet one mag you can have 5 blocked mags with the cnc insert. These are good for new mags or ones with the poprivet if in case you wanted to convert them for reliability issues like the spring getting snagged up on the river.
 
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rooster33 said:
Pics emailed to wes and WWII
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CanAm said:
So the feds have signed off on the block with no other mods? Seems too easy.
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I think a previous post said it was riveted or epoxied to the base plate. Or the floor plate was riveted so the mag can't be disassembled.

I did some Thermolds with blocks and a pop rivet to "permanently" hold the base plate on.
 
Ha ha, that was fast Westicle, you beat me to it. Ok here is my design.
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As you can see my design is epoxied to bottom of the mag casing (follower) as per Federal law I posted for reference in the previous post.

The mag block is made from aluminum rod sleeved inside a hollow plastic tubing then bent at the bottom to allow smooth operation. These parts are readily available and require little work to install. This design can be modified to fit various followers and will work in almost any AR type hi cap rifle mag.

in case you are wondering, epoxy, hollow plastic tubing and solid aluminum rod are on the left of the photo.
 
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Nice mod, WWIII.

Edit: Re-read the highlighted part. The follower is not part of the mag casing. Then again, it doesn't say that "altering or re-manufacturing" is LIMITED to the listed methods, merely that it INCLUDES them. It certainly meets the spirit of the law.

(b) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a steel or aluminum casing, the insertion and attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or aluminum, as the case may be, or of a similar material, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method; or

(c) in the case of a cartridge magazine with a casing made of a material other than steel or aluminum, the attachment of a plug, sleeve, rod, pin, flange or similar device, made of steel or of a material similar to that of the magazine casing, to the inner surface of its casing by welding, brazing or any other similar method or by applying a permanent adhesive substance, such as a cement or an epoxy or other glue.
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I think this is really the most important part:

..........if the modification to the magazine cannot be easily removed and the magazine cannot be easily further altered so that it is so capable of containing more than five or ten cartridges, as the case may be.
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Sorry but I don't understand how you figure this...

The legislation you quoted consistantly refers to modification to the mag body (the casing) as the legally required method of limiting the capacity of the magazine.

Insertion of a "block" or modification of the follower or floor plate, etc. does NOT comply with the wording of the legislation. Those items are NOT the mag body/casing... they are associated parts that are easily removed and replaced since they are not fastened to the body/casing in any of the ways described in the legislation.

Legally I don't think you have met the legal requirements as setout in the law.

I think all you have is wishful thinking... using your logic all that is needed is to throw a wooden dowel inside the spring so the follower can't go to the bottom. The legislation is very specific... your methods are not in compliance with legislative requirements as listed earlier in the Thread.

Just my humble opinion...

Mark


Mark
 
wwII good system as well. But realy let's not loose sight of the main objective which is getting more pmags awailable for us all. We have the technology let's make it happen. Did I just steal that line from a movie or something? Like Tony Little says "technique that's it technique that's all"
 
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