History of PMags in Canada for a beginner.

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I'm not an importer, nor do I want to be. I just want to get some pmags.
Canam you or one of the other dealers gotta find a way to get these pmags.
My manufacturing background is not related to the gun industry. The parts I manufactured for the m14 and such was strictly a hobby and out of enjoyment. And to partly fund my shooting and gunnut habit.
 
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rooster33 said:
I'm not an importer, nor do I want to be. I just want to get some pmags.
Canam you or one of the other dealers gotta find a way to get these pmags.
My manufacturing background is not related to the gun industry. The parts I manufactured for the m14 and such was strictly a hobby and out of enjoyment. And to partly fund my shooting and gunnut habit.
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Rooster your plugs will not follow the letter of the mag pinning law, you would have to drill through your block and rivit it anyway so whats the point?

A pop rivit is cheap and easy and does conform to the stupid law which everyone knows is a joke anyway.
 
why would you have to drill thru theblock... just pop rivet the floorplate on and your finished... then the block is held to the same standard as a pop riveted mag and would take the exact same tools and time to disassemble.
 
Westicle said:
why would you have to drill thru theblock... just pop rivet the floorplate on and your finished... then the block is held to the same standard as a pop riveted mag and would take the exact same tools and time to disassemble.
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It would be hard to pop rivet the base plate of a Pmag.

As for the Mag block idea, Bottom line is : its all dandy until the Cfc says no and you have to go to court for it.
 
kako911 said:
It would be hard to pop rivet the base plate of a Pmag.

As for the Mag block idea, Bottom line is : its all dandy until the Cfc says no and you have to go to court for it.
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proof is in the pudding though and designs "similar" have been approved by the cfc in the past, re: colt factory 5 round magazines which are made from 20 round mag bodies with an internal block.

this law/ruling has not been changed in a long time, so what has been allowed in the past should be allowed now.... but as everyone knows, it takes a court case to get the grey area weeded out.

as far as using the internal block the person's INTENT is to follow the law, it has been shown time and time again that INTENT is what canadian judges are ruling on, people are trying to follow the law, plain and simple, they are not trying to circumvent anything.
 
Westicle said:
done deal and your not pop riveting anywhere near the magwell so the mags will fit no matter what.
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Since we're talking Pmags, the spine rivet does not interfere with the magwell. The plastic is thick enough to counter-sink and use a flush rivet.

So the sequence is jig-drill-rivet. Easy, fast, cheap. No worries about different followers; Pmags come from the factory all the same way.

This is much faster and less expensive than taking the baseplate off, fishing-in a piece of plastic through the spring, and then gluing/riveting the baseplate back on.
 
As mentioned before, what makes some of the ideas here different from the M305 20/5 mags?

They were approved so it would stand to reason that rendering a PMag to 5 rounds in the same way would be legal.
 
Westicle said:
proof is in the pudding though and designs "similar" have been approved by the cfc in the past, re: colt factory 5 round magazines which are made from 20 round mag bodies with an internal block.

this law/ruling has not been changed in a long time, so what has been allowed in the past should be allowed now.... but as everyone knows, it takes a court case to get the grey area weeded out.

as far as using the internal block the person's INTENT is to follow the law, it has been shown time and time again that INTENT is what canadian judges are ruling on, people are trying to follow the law, plain and simple, they are not trying to circumvent anything.
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The colt 5 rounders i have, use a special baseplate/block that is one piece and that cannot be replaced with another model. Hence making the hi-capping impossible. I dont know which ones you are talking about.


About intent to follow the law: I agree, yet that point needs factual proof to be understood. On the other side of the line, following the law does not, for a fact, land you in front of a judge.
 
tghe colt 5 rounders I have use a sleeve that fits inside a normal 20 round magazine and then a pop rivet is inserted in the hole.... back in the day I even ordered the inserts frow S.A.W and made my own out of 20 rounder Kit Mags.

as found in a magazine faq
Colt had a small number of 5-round magazines made for hunting in states where magazine capacities are limited to 5 rounds. This was done by taking a standard 20-Round magazine and adding an upside-down U-shaped insert to prevent the follower from traveling far enough into the magazine to allow more than 5 rounds to be inserted. As these magazines are legal pre-ban mags, many people remove the insert. These mags, in 5-round format, are favored among hunters as the spring pressure is the same as a standard 20-round mag. Made from 1974-1994. Floorplates stamped:
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These are the ones I have Had...
 
Not sure why some people are poo pooing these alternative methods.

My Norinco M14 mags are modded two different ways, one with a pop rivet in the spine, the other two have a flange welded to the baseplate, similar to WWIII's method. It's a permanent mod. Yes you can argue that all that's needed is a new follower and you have a prohib, but you could also argue that with a Colt R0634 all that is needed to make it full auto is an M16 bolt carrier and trigger mech and auto sear, all of which it will easily accept without modification unlike all other AR15's out there. Would Marstar bring in mags that they didn't thind were legal? Not on your life. However to cover your ass even more all that is required is to permanently affix the baseplate.

Someone mentioned the easy removal of the baseplate as some sort of selling feature but I don't think that really applies to us since if the mag were rivited in spine you couldn't remove the follower anyway so what's the point? Not that regular unmodified mags are difficult to dissasemble either so maybe I'm missing something?

I also have 20 rd Colt mags done in a similar fashion, or perhaps they're done the way Westicle is talking about, I don't really know since the baseplate has a pop rivet in it and can't be removed.

As for sticking a wood dowel inside the mag body, why not? As long as the baseplate cannot be removed than the mod is permanent.

I've always thought pinning the spine is the worst (albeit easiest) method out there. You have to file the damn thing down on a lot of mags so they fit in the magwell, the spring can get hung up on it, affecting reliability, and if you switch floorplates to another type you have to drill it out and drill a hole in new location.

How does adding epoxy to a pop rivet, a permanant modification, make it any more permanent? You really lost me on that one.
 
Also Milarm was selling the finned mag follower 5/20 round M305 mags that the Alberta RCMP approved for import into Canada by Milarm about 5-6 years ago, these mags were inspected and allowed in the country by CBSA.

The mags were blocked by a metal fin that was welded on to the bottom of the mag follower. I have a few of these mags also.

Contact Milarm they can probably fill you in. BTW Marstar was selling the same finned m305 mags a few years ago too, I have a few of them also.
 
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... Yes you can argue that all that's needed is a new follower and you have a prohib, but you could also argue that with a Colt R0634 all that is needed to make it full auto is an M16 bolt carrier and trigger mech and auto sear, all of which it will easily accept without modification unlike all other AR15's out there...
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BUT... mere possession of the auto sear is an offense (even if it's just sitting in your drawer and not installed)... since it's a named prohibited device in the criminal code. Not a valid example.

Mark
 
Questar said:
BUT... mere possession of the auto sear is an offense (even if it's just sitting in your drawer and not installed)... since it's a named prohibited device in the criminal code. Not a valid example.

Mark
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show me where a factory colt auto sear is a prohibited device... lightning links yes and other objects made to transform an otherwise normal semi auto to full yes. but not factory parts that will not work in a factory gun unless heavly modified.

link me to this..........
 
Westicle said:
show me where a factory colt auto sear is a prohibited device... lightning links yes and other objects made to transform an otherwise normal semi auto to full yes. but not factory parts that will not work in a factory gun unless heavly modified.

link me to this..........
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http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc/cr/SOR-98-462///en?page=1

Go down the page to #5 and start there... you'll then have to go through and review section 84 of the act.

This is not just our interpretation of the above, but it is the explicit direction that we received from the CFO (and others)... and in this case we have specifically been told in no uncertain terms that possession of the auto sear is only allowed under our Business License and only in so far as our activities to perform either repairs or supply for public agencies (LE/Military).

They have taken this way too far in some areas (again my opinion) but it's next to impossible for a Business Firearms Licensee to argue with them as they can shut-you-down whenever they want or they can simply lay a charge and you end up fighting in the courts for years and pissing away money... either way we lose.

Here is the stupidity of the law as written:

Everyone would agree that the pistol grip on your AR-15 is a simple part and in no way prohibited. BUT... under the legislation... if a Select Fire (Full Auto) AR-15 was previously imported to Canada then all the parts of that gun are classified as Prohibited Devices (parts) and technically if you take the pistol grip off and replace with another fancier grip, the old grip remains a "Prohibited Device" and can't be sold to a civilian.

As nuts as it sounds, "they" tell us that is the legal situation.

I don't make this s**t... just tell you what we're told by the "authorities".

Mark
 
Although I'd love to see P-Mags here in Canada, I don't think I would be shelling out any of my money to pay what any of the dealers in Canada are going to be charging.

I almost throw up in mouth paying $40 for a stock USGI aluminium mag that goes for $15 in the States.

Hell will freeze over before I pay $50 and up for a P-Mag in Canada when they are retailing for $15 in the States. Enough with the retailers in Canada raping us at every opportunity.

Pin a P-Mag-$5
Cost per mag for shipping/handling fees-$5
P-Mag-$15

I might pay $25 as that is probably what they are worth here, pinned and imported properly in bulk.
 
questar, you SELL FULL AUTO Carriers to civilians .... explain that then, items are posted in the "EE" all the time that are full auto colt parts, etc etc etc.... it just does not make sense.

i followed your link and as far as I can interpret it is a grey area... same as your full auto carrier, what if i owned a sear that was never installed in a full auto gun ?
 
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Just one comment: We do not have a mag "approval" system in Canada. Except in rare cases which may be controversial, such as the LAR-15 mags, which are submitted to the FRT lab for their opinion (aka "deemed acceptance"). Otherwise "approval" is granted only by the fact the importer is not told to stop selling them, no charges laid, etc.
 
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Canam, a little off topic but you mentioned all the T97 mags coming in earlier in this thread. In the T97 FAQ thread there is mention that the mags that come with the T97 do not work in Ar-15's but all Ar-15 mags but P-mags work in the T97. Can you confirm this thanks.
 
ponts said:
Canam, a little off topic but you mentioned all the T97 mags coming in earlier in this thread. In the T97 FAQ thread there is mention that the mags that come with the T97 do not work in Ar-15's but all Ar-15 mags but P-mags work in the T97. Can you confirm this thanks.
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I have never seen the mags. I will know when they get here.
 
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