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What is the advantage of reloading a shotgun shell to go 1270 fps plus over one that is in the range of 1100-1145 fps for trap,skeet or sporting clays; outside of the fact it increases recoil, increases cost and possible distorts the pattern.
 
blackpowder said:
What is the advantage of reloading a shotgun shell to go 1270 fps plus over one that is in the range of 1100-1145 fps for trap,skeet or sporting clays; outside of the fact it increases recoil, increases cost and possible distorts the pattern.
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At the 16yd line 1050-1150 breaks clays harder. Anything hotter should be reserved for handicap.
 
Win/64 said:
At the 16yd line 1050-1150 breaks clays harder. Anything hotter should be reserved for handicap.
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Since you are my shotgun guru, I will ask: How do you know that? What proof is there to back this statement? I would be happy to review all the links that you would supply.
 
You may want to match your reload velocity to your factory ammo velocity (my factory loads are somewhere around 1300-1350 fps)

Some people just feel the need for speed.

For some longer shots (sporting, hcp trap, etc) you may want a hotter load as well.

Brad.
 
bmcrae said:
You may want to match your reload velocity to your factory ammo velocity (my factory loads are somewhere around 1300-1350 fps)

Some people just feel the need for speed.

For some longer shots (sporting, hcp trap, etc) you may want a hotter load as well.

Brad.
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Which factory loads do you use?
 
Challenger 28ga and .410. (Their 20ga are just too nasty to use, and I don't compete with 12ga ammo).

They typically crony between 1300 and 1350.
 
Covey Ridge said:
How do you know that? What proof is there to back this statement? I would be happy to review all the links that you would supply.
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Google is your friend. :) Have you ever gone out in a Trap or Skeet field and picked up any unbroken Clays? I have found them with as many as 6 holes right threw them and yet they remained unbroken.
For example if you set a tin can on a fence and shoot it with an air rifle at 1200fps the can will remain on the fence. Albeit with a hole right threw it. Shoot the same can with an air rifle at 800-900fps the can jumps right off the fence also with a hole right threw it.
Play with your loads and see what breaks them harder. I think 1300-1350fps is way to high for a Clay load. Not to mention the added recoil.
 
from the rule book:

G. GUNS AND AMMUNITION
A contestant cannot use:
3. Any load with a velocity greater than 1290 FPS (Feet Per Second)
with maximum shot charge of 1 1/8 ounces, or 1325 FPS with a
maximum shot charge of 1 ounce, or 1350 FPS with a maximum
shot charge of 7/8 ounces or less, as measured in any individual
shotshell. These velocities are maximum and no individual shotshell
shall exceed these limits for the designated shot charge. In addition,
no load containing more than 1 1/8 ounces or any shot larger than
Number 7 1/2 can be used. Shot charges are maximum and no
charge may exceed the charge amount by more than 3%.
 
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Covey Ridge said:
1050-1150 will break clays by hitting them hard enough, but you have no proof that they break harder or that hitting them with faster pellets will not break them as well.
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Your not a reloader so it may be harder for you to proove.:) So, try some 2 3/4 Dram Win AA's and compare them with a 3 dram loads (at the 16) and see what breaks targets harder.
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Walter Hornby said:
grom the rule book:

G. GUNS AND AMMUNITION
A contestant cannot use:
3. Any load with a velocity greater than 1290 FPS (Feet Per Second)
with maximum shot charge of 1 1/8 ounces, or 1325 FPS with a
maximum shot charge of 1 ounce, or 1350 FPS with a maximum
shot charge of 7/8 ounces or less, as measured in any individual
shotshell. These velocities are maximum and no individual shotshell
shall exceed these limits for the designated shot charge. In addition,
no load containing more than 1 1/8 ounces or any shot larger than
Number 7 1/2 can be used. Shot charges are maximum and no
charge may exceed the charge amount by more than 3%.
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Winchester markets a AA 12 1 1/8 advertised at 1300 f.p.s. and a 1 oz. AA at 1350 f.p.s.
So these are not legal at some clay sport other than the international stuff??:confused:
 
Win/64 said:
Covey Ridge said:
Your not a reloader so it may be harder for you to proove.:) So, try some 2 3/4 Dram Win AA's and compare them with a 3 dram loads (at the 16) and see what breaks targets harder.
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But I am a reloader! I do not do it often because of our present high cost of lead and the fact that I scored quite a load of target stuff cheap. I prefer 2 3/4 eq. at the 16 yard line because of recoil. I have no way of proving that they break harder. Actually I get my best breaks with only 1 oz of cheaper softer lead driven at 2 3/4 dram eq. 1190 f.p.s. but I have no way of proving that they break harder. Even without proof, the lighter loads are my choice to about 23 yards.
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The only proof you need is watching your breaks. How did you get your user name in my quote?
 
Covey Ridge said:
Winchester markets a AA 12 1 1/8 advertised at 1300 f.p.s. and a 1 oz. AA at 1350 f.p.s.
So these are not legal at some clay sport other than the international stuff??:confused:
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They are the Super Sporting loads and are legal for sporting clays. The rules quoted above are from the ATA handbook. There was a guy shooting these shells un our squad last weekend and they were pouding the snot out of him. Meanwhile my 7/8 ounce loads at 1,300 fps were breaking the targets well with a lot less recoil.
 
Covey Ridge said:
But I am a reloader! I do not do it often because of our present high cost of lead and the fact that I scored quite a load of target stuff cheap. I prefer 2 3/4 eq. at the 16 yard line because of recoil. I have no way of proving that they break harder. Actually I get my best breaks with only 1 oz of cheaper softer lead driven at 2 3/4 dram eq. 1190 f.p.s. but I have no way of proving that they break harder. Even without proof, the lighter loads are my choice to about 23 yards.
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Lead is priced the lowest it has been in a long time $26 for 25lbs.
 
Has anyone ever verified if the loads provided in reloading books and on factory stuff actually give the velocities stated? I've never chronographed a rifle load that did. Yes, I wake up at night worrying about these things!!! :D
 
My experience with Challenger has been that it crony's faster than what is reported.

In a perfect world, all the ammo I bought would come in at 1200ft/sec. I really like the Challenger sub-gauge ammo however. I wish I could find (economical) 20ga ammo at the same speed without the extra recoil.

Brad.
 
Win/64 said:
The only proof you need is watching your breaks. How did you get your user name in my quote?
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I think we are getting "hitting harder" and "breaking better" confused? You know me and quote tags:D I do not know I got my user name in your quote:confused:

Question: When you examine those unbroken targets with six holes? How do you know if the speed was too fast or too slow?
 
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