what would you pay for a legal 30round mag

[beaver_cheese]

Does anyone have any more info on these 10 round AIA mags? I just checked Marstar and they say that the spare AIA mags will not fit any other gun. Have they since modified them so they wont fit M14's or is that just a line to cover their asses? Do the mags say on them that they are specifically for an AIA Einfeild like the LAR-15 specifically say they are for a pistol? Does anyone here own and use them at their range and if so have you run into any problems?

I'm really interested in some legal 10 round mags for the M14.

 

[Throttle_monkey1]

Someone had it right. Design a bolt action rifle. Call it the fuk-68 like someone mentioned. have 30 rd mags that are stamped"for use in fuk-68".

It will be good to go. The cx4 and lar15 precedent has been set.

Make one rifle, get an frt, and produce thousands of mags. I would pay 100$ for one. I would probably buy 10 of em. These gophers aren't gonna shoot themselves.

 

[cancer]

Does anyone have any more info on these 10 round AIA mags? I just checked Marstar and they say that the spare AIA mags will not fit any other gun. Have they since modified them so they wont fit M14's or is that just a line to cover their asses? Do the mags say on them that they are specifically for an AIA Einfeild like the LAR-15 specifically say they are for a pistol? Does anyone here own and use them at their range and if so have you run into any problems?

I'm really interested in some legal 10 round mags for the M14.

There's a long thread about this someone in the main battle rifles forum. The short version of it is, they always fit and they were never altered. However, AIA mags are hard to find, so...

 

[Corpus]

Forgive my ignorance here, but what happened to all your 30rd. AR mags after your Government told you that it new what was best for you, and made you use 5/30 mags? Also, when you guys say "pinned mags" does that mean tht if you knocked the pin out, the 5/30 would immediately become a 30rd. mag, or is the spring modified?

If I was a Canadian, and had 100 30rd. AR mags, what happened to them after Canadian Gun Laws became so draconian?

 

[Throttle_monkey1]

Corpus, we had to rivet them in the spine so the follower is blocked from going past 5 rounds. They look the same, except the rivet. They can be lanced as well.

I feel so much safer knowing that the rivet is there. If the rivet fell out I, and all other gun owners would become murderers, targeting women and babies of course

 

[Corpus]

So if the SHTF you could have 30rd. mags in a matter of seconds, correct? Pop out the rivet, load-up, rock it!?

 

[Throttle_monkey1]

Yup. As it stands, I would pay a hundred bucks for a legal 30 rounder. 100$ or 5 years in the clink? My time is worth a lot more then 20$ a year.

 

[mr_trout]

Someone had it right. Design a bolt action rifle. Call it the fuk-68 like someone mentioned. have 30 rd mags that are stamped"for use in fuk-68".

It will be good to go. The cx4 and lar15 precedent has been set.

Make one rifle, get an frt, and produce thousands of mags. I would pay 100$ for one. I would probably buy 10 of em. These gophers aren't gonna shoot themselves.

I always liked the sound of it, but it also worries me.

The law is on our side as the LAR-15 mags have proved, but if a loophole was pushed further and 30 round mags started to appear everywhere I would expect the law would be revised rather abruptly.

The 30 round mags legality would be short lived, and when that loophole was plugged there is a chance the LAR-15 mags would be dragged down with them when the wording of the law was revised.

 

[Throttle_monkey1]

They can't rewrite laws by order in council can they? Wouldn't that mean they would have to amend c-68 itself, and the criminal code?

 

[Armedsask]

... get charged for posessing a 30 round AR15 mag and argue that it is a 7615 mag, which just happens to fit in an AR15, and use the LAR15 mag ruling as evidence to support your position, along with the CX4 and M14 mags out there as additional evidence.

The 7615 can not be used. How many times must this be explained? When Remington marketed the rifle, they advertised it as having an AR15 magazine well that uses AR15 magazines.

Any magazine designed for the 7615 would then be an AR15 magazine.

 

[nickorette]

Well, kind of. I think the CX4 carbine kind of pushed this issue first because there suddenly was a semi auto rifle that could accept currently existing legal 10 round pistol mags. They read the law and realized that it's the mag itself that is legal or not, not what the mag happens to be in.

CFC basically decided that they could live with 10 round mags in a semi auto rifle is the bottom line. I personally think that the law allows unlimited AR15 style magazines at this point due to the 7615, but CFC feels differently.

The 10 round A1A enfield mags were approved for import, and they happen to work in M14's... and that has nothing to do with the 10 round capacity. 30 round A1A Enfield mags would be legal too, and still legal when put in a M14.

I think they let the cat out of the bag when they said outright that the LAR-10 pistol mags are legal. If 5 round AR15 semi auto rifle mags are legal, and 10 round AR15 pistol mags are legal, then 30/40/100 round 7615 mags should be legal, whether the 7615 was advertised with the capability to use AR15 mags or not. The AR15 pistols were obviously designed to use AR15 format magazines... so shouldn't they have been limited to 5? the AR15 pistols were designed to use AR15 mags, and they decided that 10 round mags were ok because they were a pistol. The 7615 was designed to use AR15 mags, and it's limited to 5?

I guess the choice is: Design a bolt action rifle that uses a mag that does NOT fit a AR15 without modifying the magwell and hope that CFC follows the letter of the law, OR, get charged for posessing a 30 round AR15 mag and argue that it is a 7615 mag, which just happens to fit in an AR15, and use the LAR15 mag ruling as evidence to support your position, along with the CX4 and M14 mags out there as additional evidence.

This is why 7615 mags are not legal. Straight from the Remington website. The RCMP are still followg the rules when it comes to mag regulations.

Our line of popular centerfire pumps expands with the two guns chambered for 223 Remington,® the Model 7615 Ranch Carbine and the Model 7615 Camo Hunter. The Model 7615 Ranch Carbine is similar in function to our Model 7615 Tactical, but features a more traditional styling. Its satin-finish American walnut stock houses a 7615 action with a 10-round AR-15 magazine and an 18 1/2" high-polished blue clean barrel. It’s drilled and tapped for standard Model 7600 scope mounts.

Don’t worry about taking that extra shot, every Model 7615 comes standard with a ten-round magazine and accepts aftermarket AR-15 magazine boxes

No where does it state that the magaznes were specifically desnged for the 7615. They mention several times that the magazines are AR-15 magazines, not 7615 magazines.

 

[nickorette]

How can you argue that any magazine that follows the AR15 mag standards is designed solely for a bolt gun however? The only way to make a case for it not being an AR15 magazine is if it does not fit in an AR15. Otherwise, it's pretty friggin obvious that you designed this bolt gun to use AR15 mags, not that you designed a mag solely for the bolt gun.

Because it was made for the bolt action mag. If you realy wanted to go overboard, you could mark out "bolt action magazine" right on the side. Or even make the mag dimentionally smaller, so that you'd have to have a sleeve put into your magwell in order to fit the mags in.

You'd also likely have to make the mags yourselves in order to be convincing.

That doesn't necessariliy mean that everything on the mag has to be indentical, you could make some aestietic changes. You could mill the mag instead of use sheet metal, you could have straight walls instead of corragations, etc., and unless the RCPM goes around testing to see that .223 mags fit and function in other guns, than you sould be ok.

 

[XRC]

At $50 I'd buy in quantity. More than that, and I'd only get a few. Mags are a disposable item.

 

[Savage]

Yeah, I understand we're talking about a "new design". The topic has been discussed to death in many threads, has there been any prgress. The cost is in the innovation and we're paying for the loophole, I get it. It's depressing and rediculous that people think that's the way to go, but I get it.

Again I say, rather than all the useless internetting about mythical inventions and loopholes, CALL YOUR MP! If people spent as much time trying to do something about these rediculous laws, as they do whining about ways to get around them, we could just drill the rivets out of the mags we already have. Nah, lets stick with whining online, because that's working so far, right?

Dare I ask, if someone did manage to invent such a mythical mag, what would be the point anyway? With so many ranges being uptight about "rapid firing", 30rd mags aren't all that much fun. Our overlords don't believe in our right to self defense, so preparing for methzomibes isn't much motivation to get one either.

Anyway good luck with this, I really couldn't care less at this point.

Tim excellent post there Bro.

 

[Throttle_monkey1]

Because it was made for the bolt action mag. If you realy wanted to go overboard, you could mark out "bolt action magazine" right on the side. Or even make the mag dimentionally smaller, so that you'd have to have a sleeve put into your magwell in order to fit the mags in.

You'd also likely have to make the mags yourselves in order to be convincing.

That doesn't necessariliy mean that everything on the mag has to be indentical, you could make some aestietic changes. You could mill the mag instead of use sheet metal, you could have straight walls instead of corragations, etc., and unless the RCPM goes around testing to see that .223 mags fit and function in other guns, than you sould be ok.

The RCMP can try to do that, but still have to follow the law. If the gun is a bolt action, and the mag is made for it, whatever else it fits in is a moot point.

 

[jobbass]

what would you pay for a legal 30round mag ?


In your question you said "legal".

If the Goverment come tomorrow with a law saying that 30 rounds magazines are Legal so the price will be anywhere between $14.99 - $49.99 max.

 

[rommelrommel]

The 7615 can not be used. How many times must this be explained? When Remington marketed the rifle, they advertised it as having an AR15 magazine well that uses AR15 magazines.

Any magazine designed for the 7615 would then be an AR15 magazine.

Read my post. I obviously know the CFC/RCMP position on the matter. My point is that their position is NOT logically consistent. Logically, if the AR15 pistol mags are legal at 10 rounds, and the AR15 pistol was designed to accept AR15 magazines, the AR15 pistol should be capped to 5 round rifle mags because the pistol was DESIGNED to accept AR15 rifle mags. As soon as CFC/RCMP decided that the fact that it was a PISTOL overcame that they set a precident. Unfortunately not a legal one as it's just a ruling from the CFC, but still. If the AR15 pistol is allowed to have AR15 format magazines with a 10 round capacity as long as they are marked as "LAR-10 pistol" mags by the maker, the 7615 should be allowed to have unlimited capacity mags as long as they are marked "7615 pump rifle" or something by the manufacturer. In fact, the markings are irrelevant to the law, but they just help solidify the position that it's a "7615 pump rifle" mag.

I think that now that the 7615 exists, the LAW clearly leads to a decision that ANY capacity AR15 format magazine is legal. The CFC/RCMP feels differently simply because they do not like the LAW and it's implications.

Now, there's two ways to get 30 round mags, the build a bolt action blah blah blah route, or get a 30 rounder and try your luck in court. I don't actually think court is a good idea because we have bastard judges that will probably rule against you regardless of what the law says.

 

[rommelrommel]

Because it was made for the bolt action mag. If you realy wanted to go overboard, you could mark out "bolt action magazine" right on the side. Or even make the mag dimentionally smaller, so that you'd have to have a sleeve put into your magwell in order to fit the mags in.

You'd also likely have to make the mags yourselves in order to be convincing.

That doesn't necessariliy mean that everything on the mag has to be indentical, you could make some aestietic changes. You could mill the mag instead of use sheet metal, you could have straight walls instead of corragations, etc., and unless the RCPM goes around testing to see that .223 mags fit and function in other guns, than you sould be ok.

If you're trying to beat the RCMP at their own game using their rules, I think it has to physically not fit into an AR15 magwell due to being too big in some way. If you want to try, go ahead, but if anyone was to actually go through the trouble to build this supposed rifle I would want the mag to be as "un ar15" as possible and still accomplish the goal.

 

[Tom_Swift]

The 7615 pump action rifle was advertised as being able to use AR mags was it not? So a 7615 magazine stamped would be legal. I think the NFA should be appealing the courts ruling on it, I mean the fact that Remington advertised it being able to accept AR mags has no affect on a 30 round 7615 magazine that would also fit in an AR.

 

[rommelrommel]

The 7615 pump action rifle was advertised as being able to use AR mags was it not? So a 7615 magazine stamped would be legal. I think the NFA should be appealing the courts ruling on it, I mean the fact that Remington advertised it being able to accept AR mags has no affect on a 30 round 7615 magazine that would also fit in an AR.

There's no court ruling, just a CFC/RCMP opinion issued. Someone would have to take it to court.