what would you pay for a legal 30round mag
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ALEX D 92,
Where in his thread it says new bolt rifle.
what would you pay for a legal 30round mag
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Im quite sure that ive seen a thread on this before but i cant find it
So my question is how much are you willing to part with for a 30 rounder that legally fits your ar15 or tavor or whatever.
$50 or $200 how high would you go to get one and would you just buy 1 or 5 or 50.
If one existed how many do you think a person could sell in canada realisticly and i know it depends on the price.
tell me your thoughts
I made no reference as to the source of the mags but this is a logical conclusion given our laws.
obviously i didnt mean that the law was going to change to mean we could remove the rivets as this is not on the cards.
so let me be clear as to what i mean
whether its a new designed rifle or some other loophole i dont care, what i want to know is if there was a way that such a magazine existed how much would you be willing to pay for one given that it would be the only design in existence capable of legally containing 30 rounds and the obvious research and development costs for its creation and the fact its built in canada as the us wont export mags with more than 10 round capacity.
so in short how much do you really want one?
Will it come with a "money back guarantee"?
What I mean by that, will it be guaranteed that a few weeks after it becomes "available" the RCMP or our politicians don't declare them prohibited devices. That by a stroke of the pen they don't simply change the law to make "no longer legal", confiscate them and charge anyone in possession.
Sound unlikely? Take a look at what the RCMP/CFC (without political review, consent or input) have done quietly over the past few months to the FRT #'s relating to Remington 870 shotguns (to name just one). They have unilaterally and without any amendments to the legislation, changed the interpretation of the classification on certain shotguns, creating a new FRT # for any shotgun assembled with a barrel less than 16.0" in length and a receiver/frame fitted with a pistol grip only, now stating (and I quote):
"may be deemed a 'handgun' and therefore 'RESTRICTED' under the definition of 'restricted firearm' in PART III/Firearms and Other Weapons of Section 84(1)(a) of the Criminal Code of Canada"
With the stroke of a pen they have now created a new class of Remington 870 that can (at their whim) be "deemed" to be a Restricted handgun. Everyone who legitimately bought and registered (legally) their 14" 870 and who owns a commercially available pistol grip or breechers grip can now be charged (at any time) if they assemble the grip on the gun and don't immediately apply to have the gun re-registered as a "Restricted" firearm.
This was done quietly and no effort has been made to make it public knowledge. Who knows if it would stand the test of a legal court challenge, but who wants to be the poor guy to bankrupt themselves finding out.
Just something to think about.
There's no trick to building a 30 round Bolt Rifle magazine that would fit other guns... the "trick" is finding a way to do it without losing your investment and being bankrupted by the s**t-storm that will follow.
Mark
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Look at theses under $25 USD
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/SearchResults.aspx?site=Magazines&num=10&q=ar
Look at theses under $25 USD
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/SearchResults.aspx?site=Magazines&num=10&q=ar
Some interesting points Mark, obviously most of your points are toward the maker not the buyer.
Me, as the buyer, would go into it knowing the law could be changed and i may lose in the end. Just like anyone who picked up one of those NR 870 shortys needed to consider. But i look at it like this, it's a vacation from a stupid law. Even if i only get a couple days in the bush with full cap mags...i'd be satisfied.
i'd pay extra for the efforts someone would make.
Me, as the buyer, would go into it knowing the law could be changed and i may lose in the end. Just like anyone who picked up one of those NR 870 shortys needed to consider. But i look at it like this, it's a vacation from a stupid law. Even if i only get a couple days in the bush with full cap mags...i'd be satisfied.
i'd pay extra for the efforts someone would make.
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It'll end up costing you a lot more than 25 bucks when you factor in the lawyer fees for having an illegal unpinned mag. More like a $10,000 mag
Back to the thread starter's original question. I know I would be willing to pay $125-$150 ea. Probably pick up 4 at a time. I'm sure a lot more people I know, would be willing to pay the same. For the all the people getting upset about how much it will cost, do not worry yourself, you do not have to purchase, if you do not wish. It would be nice to have options out there. If they decide to pass the law banning it later on in the future, at least it was enjoyable while it lasted. Kudos for you for attempting it.
face it guys... it is never going to happen.... the baby killing death machines that high cap mag's are induce fear in the liberal soccer moms....
I could easily see the ar15 classified as non restricted for 18.5" or longer.... way before I ever see magazines being allowed.
I could easily see the ar15 classified as non restricted for 18.5" or longer.... way before I ever see magazines being allowed.
did the lar 15 pistol mags come with a money back guarantee
mark you and i both know there are no guarantee's as to what the forces that be will do. While it is quite possible that it will be short lived its also quite possible that semi auto firearms will completely disappear and handguns too and the world will end in 2012. But i for one dont live my life in fear of what might happen. I dont think we should become bullied into submission because of perversion of the law, we arent doing anything with illegal intentions but merely following the letter of the law as it is written. End of the day no matter what we do in life its the Judge who decides if we broke the law and what the penalty is.
I have no doubt you realize your 10 round lar mag could also be stricken by a pen stroke followed by a s**t storm but that didnt stop you.
also to be clear I asked a simple question and at no time stated that I personally was going to attempt this.
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I'll by one, whatever the price, to support the effort 
Maybe more if the only difference with a standard 30 rounds is some kind of marking. Has to fit and feel like an official one to have me interested.
But again, I'll support whoever try that.
If the question was asked for a cost estimation I don't think it will be a problem
Maybe more if the only difference with a standard 30 rounds is some kind of marking. Has to fit and feel like an official one to have me interested.
But again, I'll support whoever try that.
If the question was asked for a cost estimation I don't think it will be a problem
Don't mean to hijack the thread, but wouldn't it make sense (well may not make sense to all the AR owners) for someone/some company to:
1. Design an AIA TWENTY round mag first? (I'd buy 5 right away for $50.00 CAD a piece. You know they would sell. You know as an M14 owner you'd buy five too.)
2. On the premise of making a profit, take that money, and move forward to producing a bolt action .223 sporter rifle like the Enfield that accepts AR style mags, and again create a TWENTY or THIRTY round one?
End result:
1. You have a steady stream of LEGAL 20 round mags for the AIA that will fit in an M14S.
2. You have created a .223 bolt rifle that you can also sell, that also have a supplementary market for the mags that will legally fit into an AR.
And made here in Canada.
The only hurtle I know you will have to overcome is paying a patent fee on the mag and the mag well.
If I am off base here, let me know where. (ie. legalities, etc.)
1. Design an AIA TWENTY round mag first? (I'd buy 5 right away for $50.00 CAD a piece. You know they would sell. You know as an M14 owner you'd buy five too.)
2. On the premise of making a profit, take that money, and move forward to producing a bolt action .223 sporter rifle like the Enfield that accepts AR style mags, and again create a TWENTY or THIRTY round one?
End result:
1. You have a steady stream of LEGAL 20 round mags for the AIA that will fit in an M14S.
2. You have created a .223 bolt rifle that you can also sell, that also have a supplementary market for the mags that will legally fit into an AR.
And made here in Canada.
The only hurtle I know you will have to overcome is paying a patent fee on the mag and the mag well.
If I am off base here, let me know where. (ie. legalities, etc.)
rommelrommel
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I think the A1A 20 round mag would be a great idea, and whoever brought them in could sell them like crazy.
Stage 2 is going to run into the same problem as the 7615 likely unless you fight in court and win, or make the mags not fit an AR without mod to the magwell as discussed before.
Stage 2 is going to run into the same problem as the 7615 likely unless you fight in court and win, or make the mags not fit an AR without mod to the magwell as discussed before.
50 to 65.oo TOPS
100.00 for a mag..... that's nuts
regardless of tooling and material costs and "bring to market costs" .... any manufacturer capable of this will sell more product, to more people , with a reasonable price point.
100.00 a mag..... average Joe 'might' buy 2 or 3
50 to 65.00 per mag.... average Joe would be more inclined to buy 10.
if ya can't sell a mag for 65.00 and under .... may as well get it made in Korea or china where the tooling already exists for such things
In regards to the AIA magazines that happen to fit the m14s ...... i spoke with thier marketing/sales manager and enquired about a bulk purchase or a dealer in australia that could ship to me in canada for a bulk order.
I was told.... "we have over 50,000 units in our warehouse availlable to dealers globally, we unfortunateley to not sell directly to the consumer. The best we can do is forward our sole Canadian Dealer information to you, via thier website, www.marstar.ca . The product is ready to order but your dealer has not placed a bulk order for these magazines."
interesting eh?
100.00 for a mag..... that's nuts
regardless of tooling and material costs and "bring to market costs" .... any manufacturer capable of this will sell more product, to more people , with a reasonable price point.
100.00 a mag..... average Joe 'might' buy 2 or 3
50 to 65.00 per mag.... average Joe would be more inclined to buy 10.
if ya can't sell a mag for 65.00 and under .... may as well get it made in Korea or china where the tooling already exists for such things
In regards to the AIA magazines that happen to fit the m14s ...... i spoke with thier marketing/sales manager and enquired about a bulk purchase or a dealer in australia that could ship to me in canada for a bulk order.
I was told.... "we have over 50,000 units in our warehouse availlable to dealers globally, we unfortunateley to not sell directly to the consumer. The best we can do is forward our sole Canadian Dealer information to you, via thier website, www.marstar.ca . The product is ready to order but your dealer has not placed a bulk order for these magazines."
interesting eh?
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gushulak
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30 rounds mags in Canada? I'd pay about $15, same price as they do 45mi south of where I live.
Are all you guys willing to pay $230000 for Honda Accords too?
Its a magazine kids, a bit of aluminium, a spring, a follower. About $10 of material tops, plus $5 for import and making someone's already fatass gouging pockets fatter.
This has to be one of the stupidest threads in long time. Gonna find somewhere else on the web to waste time.
Are all you guys willing to pay $230000 for Honda Accords too?
Its a magazine kids, a bit of aluminium, a spring, a follower. About $10 of material tops, plus $5 for import and making someone's already fatass gouging pockets fatter.
This has to be one of the stupidest threads in long time. Gonna find somewhere else on the web to waste time.
I don't think you understand what would need to go on behind the scenes in order to make this happen. First you have to make a rifle from scratch, then produce it in enough quantity for it to be considered "widely available". Then you have to produce a magazine that fits into it, but not into an AR15 without adjustment to the magwell. Then you have to dance with the RCMP for a couple months to a couple years working out the fine details. After all that, then you have to worry about the government screwing you over and taking you to court.
Even at $50 a magazine you're still gonna have a hard time avoiding bankruptcy on this.
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