Make my Norinco HP9 14" Tacticool!

Feniz.NZ I would refrain from using your weapon mounted light to search for gear as everything you point it at will be in the line of fire. I guess if you were on your own its not such an issue.

Plink,
I see lights from this perspective. The more lumens the better, within reason. Fenix has a new 630 lumen light which would be great. The down side is that too much light will blind the operator and impede ones ability to identify targets especially indoors. The other issue with high lumen lights(200 or better) is size and weight. Having the ability to identify your target from the far side of a football field might be useful on your rifle. I don't think its necessary for your 50 yard and closer shotgun. Especially if HD is the intended role(acreages not included!). The surefire fore-ends or a 6P/G2LED mounted would be more than sufficient for the job. A TLR1 or Surefire x200 would also be excellent. Very small, light weight and ample lumens. LED is definitely the way to go with the heavy recoil on a shotgun.

USP,
Your shotguns are all business. Nothing excessive and everything you might need with the exception of a sling. Although slings on HD guns aren't overly beneficial.

TDC
 
TDC excellent points. An polite to boot! Thanks. I'll try to remember to do the same. I had a bigger response about the dangers of tac light, but I'll summarize with this.

The ONLY situation in HD where I could see benefit in using a tac light, is if the power is out, and you need to work a light to get to your family (in other bedrooms) and hold your shotgun. Holding a regular flashlight would complicate the operation of the shotgun. A tac light would come in handy here. But the goal is not to sweep the house and identify targets. You are needlessly exposing yourself. Your goal (and to me the only really viable HD plan) is to take posession of your family in a room with one door and a phone/cell. Then barricade yourself. Then call out loudly to inform the perp that you are armed and that the police have been called.
Then wait for the police. When they come they will identify themsleves and you can confirm with 911. You can then tell them what room your in, and have them sweep the house. Once the house has been swept, and the perp is either arrested or gone, you can come out and talk to the police to file the report etc... This technique defends your family and presents a perp with the smallest possible profile.

The ONLY use I see for a taclight, is to get you to your family if in a dark home. If you have room/hall lights, use them. If you have no kids in the home, and your family is in your own bedroom (you and wife/hubby/baby) then you do not leave your room. Grab the shotty, barricade the door/take cover, call 911, call out to perp that you are armed and police are on their way. No light neccesary. If they come in unanounced or unverified by 911, then they are buckshot worthy.

SO I guess I'm saying a tactlight is o.k. (I've changed my mind) but only if you know what the hell your doing. If you're sweeping your house, the taclight's blinding ability will not make up for your stupidity in presenting a criminal with a target. However, there are times and places where it comes in handy.
 
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Depending on the situation, mounted lights are not meant to be used in constant on mode when you might be on a 2-way shooting range. They are meant to be used to momentarily light up your item of interest, take appropriate action, light off/move laterally.

In camp for use against animals then using constant on is A-OK except for the cost of those CR123 batteries.
 
B said:
You guys have written a small book arguing about flashlights. Why do you care so much what someone else does????
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Cause its the internet. No one is allowed to disagree with me on the internet!

:D :D :D
 
drvrage,
Your decision to barricade is the sound choice. Clearing your home solo is near impossible to do without exposing yourself or your family. A mounted light as you suggested is useful if you have the skill to use it properly. I would strongly suggest you have one than not. You don't have to use it, but it would be nice to know you have it.

Fenix.Nz Action open or not, you're still violating two of the four fundamentals of firearms handling(check the GD forum for the thread). If you're comfortable with the possibility that you might destroy your gear than carry on. I personally have no issue with searching for gear using a gun mounted light. Provided there are no others that could be swept.

B,
Its not so much that I care what others do, its the rationale behind it. What you do or not is your business. Offering sound logic to support your theory is what I look for. If you can't support your choice then you're either regurgitating what someone else preaches/teaches without rationalizing it or you're talking out of your a$$. A sound discussion can help those on the fence or those unsure of in the use of gear and/or tactics. What annoys me are those who have all the whizzy gear and often too much of it bolted to their guns only to admit they do it for looks and fun factor. Then try to discuss tactics or the practical use of their equipment.


TDC
 
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TDC said:
Feniz.NZ I would refrain from using your weapon mounted light to search for gear as everything you point it at will be in the line of fire. I guess if you were on your own its not such an issue.

Plink,
I see lights from this perspective. The more lumens the better, within reason. Fenix has a new 630 lumen light which would be great. The down side is that too much light will blind the operator and impede ones ability to identify targets especially indoors. The other issue with high lumen lights(200 or better) is size and weight. Having the ability to identify your target from the far side of a football field might be useful on your rifle. I don't think its necessary for your 50 yard and closer shotgun. Especially if HD is the intended role(acreages not included!). The surefire fore-ends or a 6P/G2LED mounted would be more than sufficient for the job. A TLR1 or Surefire x200 would also be excellent. Very small, light weight and ample lumens. LED is definitely the way to go with the heavy recoil on a shotgun.

USP,
Your shotguns are all business. Nothing excessive and everything you might need with the exception of a sling. Although slings on HD guns aren't overly beneficial.

TDC
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thanks, I actually ordered parts for my sling last week. My 590 on the other hand Im having Vangcomped and mini Trijicon Reflex site put on top with a small rail.
 
B said:
A red dot or whatever offers no advantage over Ghost rings or even a bead IMO.
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Not necessarily true, as in my experience a red dot is no different then a ghost ring sight IMHO.
I have even used mine in hunting and trap, works great.
Both eyes open, lead the target... boom. :)

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Good luck without a light...
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Or in the middle of the night when one has to play tag with a hungry Bear in ones camp site. :D

Those without lights are Bear snacks.
 
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Calum said:
Not necessarily true, as in my experience a red dot is no different then a ghost ring sight IMHO.
I have even used mine in hunting and trap, works great.
Both eyes open, lead the target... boom. :)



Or in the middle of the night when one has to play tag with a hungry Bear in ones camp site. :D

Those without lights are Bear snacks.
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I am in FULL agreement... just zero the dot to the centre of your pattern at a desired distance.

I also find it easier for people who have no limited shotgun experience to see where they're aiming. A lot of newbies don't know how to aim properly, but everyone understands a 'dot'. :)
 
Another nice part about the red dot is with both eyes open your brain will tell you both eyes are seeing the dot, and with practice you don't even notice the sight housing itself. :)
 
CommonLawyer said:
Hi all,

Shotgun newb here. I just bought a Norinco HP9 14" from Marstar. I've already ordered a Shotforce AR15-style stock from Brownells.

What else should I get for my Nork?

I think I need:

- Sights (must replace the bead)
- Light

Any make/model that will fit the HP9 without breaking the bank? Any help is appreciated.
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This is my answer for you request : Plain jane 870P
My comments : NO TACSTAR gimmic on duty shotgun, i have lost to much round in the deep bush with their side saddle
Sight : i think that nothing beat the track-lock from wilson, they are strong and low profile
Jumbo Heat safety : a must, when you are nervous ( against bear in my case )
AR-adaptor, very usefull, mine is with the enidine to control the recoil, and i have the full vang comp done on it. I now have a MIAD grip with the 123 adaptor to carry 2 spare battery.
The more gimmic, the more it will let you down when you need it...
But hey, just my 2 cents

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sendero said:
This is my answer for you request : Plain jane 870P
My comments : NO TACSTAR gimmic on duty shotgun, i have lost to much round in the deep bush with their side saddle
Sight : i think that nothing beat the track-lock from wilson, they are strong and low profile
Jumbo Heat safety : a must, when you are nervous ( against bear in my case )
AR-adaptor, very usefull, mine is with the enidine to control the recoil, and i have the full vang comp done on it. I now have a MIAD grip with the 123 adaptor to carry 2 spare battery.
The more gimmic, the more it will let you down when you need it...
But hey, just my 2 cents

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That's one of the nicest done up HP9's I've seen yet, well done.:shotgun:
 
sendero said:
This is my answer for you request : Plain jane 870P
My comments : NO TACSTAR gimmic on duty shotgun, i have lost to much round in the deep bush with their side saddle
Sight : i think that nothing beat the track-lock from wilson, they are strong and low profile
Jumbo Heat safety : a must, when you are nervous ( against bear in my case )
AR-adaptor, very usefull, mine is with the enidine to control the recoil, and i have the full vang comp done on it. I now have a MIAD grip with the 123 adaptor to carry 2 spare battery.
The more gimmic, the more it will let you down when you need it...
But hey, just my 2 cents
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Any cheek slap with that LEO adapter and Enidine? I am about ready to ditch my Knoxx because of that factor, I really don't like the way the Knoxx works .
 
rommelrommel said:
Any cheek slap with that LEO adapter and Enidine? I am about ready to ditch my Knoxx because of that factor, I really don't like the way the Knoxx works .
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Nothing wrong yet, i was supposed to buy the KNOXX but i personnaly don't like the look and some are complaining about the stock that FREEZE extended or retracted. I have decided to go with enidine, i can't say NOTHING wrong about the KNOXX as i have NEVER tryed one yet but this one is tough to hell.

I have tested it this winter at -30 and it never jammed yet

Sendero
 
I've had no problems. It tames the recoil well. However, because it isn't straight back, and the pistol grip pivots a few degrees by design to absorb recoil, you can get a little pop in the cheek, and it inhibits getting back on target a little bit.

I'm undecided between a Mesa LEO adapter & SJ low pro rail, so I can use an Eotch and my ghost rings as backup, and a SJ ar15 adapter w/ rail, Eotech, and ar15 style BUIS.
 
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