Krieger Barrels

[Cyanide Ride]

Has anyone used these before?.

I was looking at getting a heavy barrel for my builds for some improved accuracy.

Any experience with these?

How is the customer service at Adams Lake Rifle barrels (the only importer I know of)?

 

[Hungry]

Obtunded is a great guy to deal with.

Krieger barrels are some of the best if not the BEST for the M14 platform. You certainly get what you pay for. Now, word to the wise.... this M14 Hvy NM barrel is NOT chambered or chamber reamed, that's reserved for the gunsmith who is doing your installation process. This is done to ensure that you get the very best / tightest match chamber possible in relation to the receiver & bolt combination.

You do have a USGI bolt to install with this barrel, don't you ?

I ain't joking!!

Barney

 

[Cyanide Ride]

No, I do not have a USGI bolt, this is why I ask the questions

I'll add that to my "aquire" list.

I was going to enlist some local talent who did work on my other M14 to set the shorty up.

If all goes well, I may get two kreiger barrels... But I don't want to get too far ahead of myself just yet

Thanks for the response Barney!.

 

[45ACPKING]

my krieger barrelled M14s shoots better than i dreamed a semi would shoot..... was BIG coin to get the Krieger DMR medium contour stainless, which comes short chambered and must be finished reamed for headspace.
I also dealt with Ian (obtunded) and received excellent service. My barrel was 650.00 ish , shipped to my door...... but that was when these barrels were being imported when the dollar was pretty much at par last year. I would bet that even if they can still be imported..... yewr gonna be looking at a few hundy more than i paid....... worth it? hmmmmm I've convinced myself it is LOL as I plan to compete on a casual basis with this rifle.

 

[joe-boy]

You do have a USGI bolt to install with this barrel, don't you ?

I ain't joking!!

Barney

I thought the main advantage of the USGI bolt was to remove the typical excessive headspace found with the Norinco bolt ?? Are there other advantages to the USGI bolt ??

It seems to me the if your installing a Krieger barrel you'd be able to ream the chamber to a tight headspace with the Norinco bolt without difficulty......

What am I missing ??

 

[Winz]

Obtunded is a great guy to deal with.

Krieger barrels are some of the best if not the BEST for the M14 platform. You certainly get what you pay for. Now, word to the wise.... this M14 Hvy NM barrel is NOT chambered or chamber reamed, that's reserved for the gunsmith who is doing your installation process. This is done to ensure that you get the very best / tightest match chamber possible in relation to the receiver & bolt combination.

You do have a USGI bolt to install with this barrel, don't you ?

I ain't joking!!

Barney

Adam Lake is now offering the heavy barrels with a short chamber now I believe at a small cost. This will then only require a finishing reamer as described by Barney/Hungry.

 

[Holleyman]

I thought the main advantage of the USGI bolt was to remove the typical excessive headspace found with the Norinco bolt ?? Are there other advantages to the USGI bolt ??

It seems to me the if your installing a Krieger barrel you'd be able to ream the chamber to a tight headspace with the Norinco bolt without difficulty......

What am I missing ??

I have a Krieger installed on mine with a Norc bolt, it head spaces to 1.632" so if I added a USGI bolt the head space would more than likely be too tight. If I do run across a TRW bolt in my internet travels and have a spare $300 or so burning in my pocket I will just get the chamber re-reamed.

 

[Hungry]

Yeah, when you spend all the effort, time, and $$ on the Krieger, you gotta (prevents #### loss ) go whole hog with the USGI bolt. Yes, the Norc M14 bolt will work, but it's kinda like kissing yer sister



LOL nyuk nyuk nyuk

 

[Holleyman]

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[Oldsmobiler]

...was BIG coin to get the Krieger DMR medium contour stainless, which comes short chambered and must be finished reamed for headspace. I also dealt with Ian (obtunded) and received excellent service. My barrel was 650.00 ish , shipped to my door......

Like Tom sez Ian is a good guy to deal with. Dude if you paid that much I got a screaming deal for mine since it sat for a LONG time in the corner at Ian's...bout time since you seem to find legendary ones all the time. I'm hoping to see my new receiver in a month or so

Ante

 

[The Lorax]

Are Krieger barrels for M1 Garands available?

 

[johnl]

Why would you put a American barrel in a Chinese upper I could understand if it was Ron Jeremy doing Chonnie Chung

Hungry here: Done this lots and also TWICE for my Norc M14 receivers with Douglas NM Heavy bbls. Fabulous results! The Norc receiver reminds me of my days competing with TRW M14's!

 

[trigger'06]

USGI bolt

Yeah, when you spend all the effort, time, and $$ on the Krieger, you gotta (prevents #### loss ) go whole hog with the USGI bolt. Yes, the Norc M14 bolt will work, but it's kinda like kissing yer sister



LOL nyuk nyuk nyuk

I did also think that best reason for the bolt upgrade was headspace.So now you say a Norc bolt is no good? Please elaborate on deficiencies. I was thinking of putting a short chambered Match bbl on a Nork with a stock bolt but may be others who have tried this have had less than optimum results.

 

[45ACPKING]

to me it is pointless to spend this kind of money on a barrel ..... to not replace the bolt as well. There are a few reasons for this but by using a short chamber to close headspace with a norc bolt...... somehow does not seem like the right way of doing things simply from a gunsmith/builder perspective. I may be wrong but that short chamber needs to be finish reamed regardless, using it unfinished to shorten headspace might lead to other problems...... or am I wrong here?
This is how it was recommended that i do my rifle.....
first lapping the bolt into my barreled action, original norc barrel in place and properly indexed. (Brownells makes a tool for this that fits to a debarrelled receiver, then lap in bolt, then install barrel and finish ream to desired headspace) Bolt was lapped in till it barely closed on a 1.630 clymer headspace guage (.308 go). The norc barrel was removed and the krieger installed after 1.5 thou was shaved off the barrel shoulder to allow for proper torque values at index point. (hand tight to receiver at 15 degrees and 80 footlbs of torque to index)
Then once installed, I used a Match .308 Clymer Pull Through Reamer to bring the chamber to accept the .308 go guage. I started with 3 turns of the reamer and copious amounts of "Rapid Tap" as a cutting fluid (throughout the process) . compressed air and bore cleaner after each reaming. each pass after that was one turn of the reamer, clean, check, repeat.... took about a half hour of slow work and the newly lapped in trw bolt closed nicely on the .308 go clymer guage. I have since adjusted this headspace to 1.6315 to lessen the possibility of out of battery fire.

 

[trigger'06]

M14 headspace

Not trying to raise issues, but if the bolt is okay and the bbl is short chambered by 10 to 15 what am I missing? Bolt to face of bbl? Firing pin bridge safety index?

 

[Holleyman]

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[45ACPKING]

hollyman, with the "shallow" chamber..... any idea where the cartridge rim is ending up in relation to the chamber opening face? I find this an interesting concept in shrinking headspace while retaining the norc bolt/shallow chamber combo. I felt it was unsafe and concluded that all on my own..... but i may be mistaken.
I have one rifle in a full usgi conversion with a chrome lined barrel and installing those parts ended up with a lapped headspace of 1.631 after a generous amount of lapping. I don't want to lap that rifle anymore and am leaving it at the .308 headspace mark.
Now i got this krieger barrel with a bolt that also lapped in to 1.630, then i cut the chamber to 1.6315. I am thinking of cutting that chamber deeper to 1.635 but am wondering if going deeper is o.k.
I am new at this barrel chambering thing so have many questions. As it is now, the krieger shoots amazing with standard fare federal 150 gr SP ammo. BUT i really want a true 7.62 nato chamber.
hmmmmmmmm

 

[Cyanide Ride]

Alot of great information gleaned here, thanks you guys.

Definitely alot to think about

 

[Obtunded]

Are Krieger barrels for M1 Garands available?

Yes, and I have one in stock ported and short chambered for 308.


There are many guys on here that know much more about the M-14 than I do and certainly more about the Garand. Investing the bucks into a Krieger may not be for everyone. Sadly, they are expensive - more than ever now - and they are not a drop-in barrel.

I have had several discussions with Krieger about their M-14 barrels and these are designed and produced specifically for the USGI M-14/Springfield M1A, and Krieger produces replacement barrels for the US military, including their Designated Marksman rifles. There were a number of different M14 manufacturers and each one had slightly different tolerances to their receivers. I would venture that the majority of the barrels bought up here are destined for Norinco receivers.

Anyway, to accommodate the varying tolerances, Krieger leaves extra material on the shank to be milled off and allow for proper timing and indexing.
The same goes with the chambering... Anyone that knows the importance of proper headspacing - and timing - with a rifle, will understand that carefully mating a rifle and its chamber to your gun/bolt will produce the best and the safest results. This means that you need a competent gunsmith/M-14 expert.

To that end, it would be a bit of a shame to go dropping huge coin on a Krieger barrel without undertaking the myriad of things that go along with accurizing the M-14. I use the analogy that it should be considered the crown jewel in a complete make-over.

You have to see a krieger barrel to believe it. They are absolutely straight, zero run-out, and I have never had one that didn't allow me to shoot sub-quarter minute (I'm talking bolt guns). I started bringing in these barrels just for me and a few close friends... when word got out, I was swamped with requests and thus a business was born. I was honestly very surprised how much interest there has been in their M-14 barrels!

I recognize that many guys just want to improve the accuracy of their rifles without spending a fortune. (you could buy a whole M305 for less than the cost of a Krieger barrel for one) I also recognize that guys would prefer the simplicity of a drop-in barrel. Kriegers aren't very good for either of these purposes, but I think it is fair to say that if you want to create the most accurate M14 you can, a Krieger is one big component of getting there.

We all are addicted to an expensive hobby... you don't have to tell that to me!

If you are interested in a Krieger and they are a bit rich for you, I will certainly work with you on doing a layaway, or payment scheme etc., but I think Hungry, 45APACKING and others will bear me out in that make sure you are accurizing the whole gun. The best barrel in the world will not produce results with slop and play where you don't want it.

I have two absolutely stock M305's and I have done nothing to them. I abuse them, get them smoking hot and harken back to my days with an FN when ammo was free. I keep threatening to put in a Krieger, but I'll be honest: It's more money than I think I want to spend on that sort of a project. You don't have to convince me that a Kreiger M-14 makeover is expensive!!

 

[girlsgunsandfastbikes]

Why would you put a American barrel in a Chinese upper

Since you mention putting a barrel on an 'upper' when talking about M14 types you are obviously not very knowledgeable about 14 types.


Because it's a way better idea than putting one on a crappy US made 'cast' receiver. This is fact, the Norcs although not perfect looking they are an excellent piece and cheap.

I have built many Norcs and Poly's with kreigers, Barnett's and SEI crazy horse with outstanding results and few if any problems.....with is not the case with several SA Inc M1A receivers.

Did I just stir the hornet's nest




GG&FB